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 03/19/2011 07:09:23 PM · #1


So Obama decides that another war is needed. I thought our military was stretched too thin?

While I'm not against this strike if it will stop Moaahmor from slaughtering thousands, I do wonder if the left will start to call Obama a WARMONGER.

Libya has a LOT of oil.... NO BLOOD FOR OIL....NO BLOOD FOR OIL.... When will the left go out to the White House and beat that dammed drum all night like they did to Bush? Oh...they'll have to wait awhile until the prez gets back from Brazil

Bring it on !

Edit: Ooops...my kid says you spell Libia with a "Y"...so U.S. Launches Attack on Libya ....Hmmm is both ways correct?

Message edited by author 2011-03-19 19:14:38.
 03/19/2011 07:39:20 PM · #2
AFAIK Obama is not Commander in Chief of the French Air Force; he's off in Brazil trying to improve trade prospects to get the US economy working for someone besides investment bankers and oil and pharmaceutical companies ...
 03/19/2011 07:44:59 PM · #3
Just like he paid them (Brazil) a few billions to keep drilling in gulf of Mexico... I don't think Obama cares anything about USA, I think he is an anti-American (totally) and his only goal is to destroy our ways of life as much as he can while he has the power.
 03/19/2011 07:47:35 PM · #4
Huh? Not Commander in Chief of the French Air Force? What does that mean? We didn't launch an attack on Libya a few hours ago? I must be losing my mind then !

Originally posted by GeneralE:
AFAIK Obama is not Commander in Chief of the French Air Force; he's off in Brazil trying to improve trade prospects to get the US economy working for someone besides investment bankers and oil and pharmaceutical companies ...
03/19/2011 07:56:24 PM · #5
All the reports I have heard attributed the initial air attacks to French planes ... later I understand there have been cruise missles launched from ships -- presumably at least some of them US Navy were 110 Tomahawk cruise missiles launched from US destroyers and British submarines.

I'm not in favor of war, but I'm also opposed to unopposed political extermination by sociopathic despots.

Message edited by author 2011-03-19 20:11:38.
 03/19/2011 08:06:11 PM · #6
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I'm not in favor of war, but I'm also opposed to unopposed political extermination by sociopathic despots.

Looks like the US are going to have their work cut out in Africa and the Middle East then.

What with Bahrain and Yemen next on the list...
 03/19/2011 08:21:10 PM · #7
....I just want to see how long it takes Code Pink and that lone drummer to get to the White House.
 03/19/2011 08:27:44 PM · #8
Originally posted by kenskid:
I must be losing my mind then !

Recognition is the first step to recovery. ;-)

France, Britain and Canada are leading this particular venture, with the U.S. playing a supporting role to help enforce a U.N. resolution that we didn't champion. France launched the attack, and the U.S. and Britain knocked out Libya's air defense to allow the French pilots to do their thing.
 03/19/2011 08:36:00 PM · #9
Sorry to inform the OP but the whole world does not in fact revolve around American politics.

If that was really your first reaction to the news of the UN resolution and the subsequent military action you need to adjust your sense of perspective.

As an outsider I am often appalled at the polarisation of American politics, it amazes me how every issue descends so quickly into finger pointing and bickering. From both sides.

Rant over, my thoughts are with the Libyan people and the suffering they have and inevitably will still endure on behalf of their despot.
 03/19/2011 08:36:15 PM · #10
Originally posted by scalvert:
France, Britain and Canada are leading this particular venture, with the U.S. playing a supporting role to help enforce a U.N. resolution that we didn't champion. France launched the attack, and the U.S. and Britain knocked out Libya's air defense to allow the French pilots to do their thing.


And yet it is still Obama's fault if you look at it the right way. I also blame him for the continual overcast during the Super Moon challenge.
 03/19/2011 08:47:17 PM · #11
As has been mentioned, US is only supporting our allies who are leading this.
Furthermore, Obama and others have said that NO US troops will be sent onto Libyan land, period.
They are only helping with a few submarines and planes that were already stationed in the area.

I personally think this was handled quite well by the US. No head-over-heels pushiness of military strength as past administrations have shown

Message edited by author 2011-03-19 20:47:59.
 03/19/2011 08:50:01 PM · #12
Originally posted by kenskid:
Edit: Ooops...my kid says you spell Libia with a "Y"...so U.S. Launches Attack on Libya ....Hmmm is both ways correct?


It's Libya kinda like it's George Dubya ... someone had to say it.

On a more serious note, it's actually pretty astonishing how incorrect information makes the rounds more swiftly than correct information. It's UN sponsored sanctions with France, Britain, and others taking the lead. US had some Tomahawks nearing their expiration date they tossed in just to avoid the recycling charges.

Message edited by author 2011-03-19 20:50:19.
 03/19/2011 08:50:59 PM · #13
Ken must have been watching Glenn Beck.
 03/19/2011 08:53:10 PM · #14
Originally posted by Fiora:
As has been mentioned, US is only supporting our allies who are leading this.
Furthermore, Obama and others have said that NO US troops will be sent onto Libyan land, period.They are only helping with a few submarines and planes that were already stationed in the area.

I personally think this was handled quite well by the US. No head-over-heels pushiness of military strength as past administrations have shown


Just saving this. Might have to post this again later. Since everything our President has said thus far has been absolutely true.

Doing my best to hide the sarcasm....
 03/19/2011 08:54:49 PM · #15
Originally posted by Dr.Confuser:


It's Libya kinda like it's George Dubya ... someone had to say it.


You're my idol! :)
 03/19/2011 08:56:55 PM · #16
Originally posted by JimiRose:
Rant over, my thoughts are with the Libyan people and the suffering they have and inevitably will still endure on behalf of their despot.

Well... the half from the bunch of tribes in the east anyway.
 03/19/2011 09:05:23 PM · #17
Originally posted by JH:
Originally posted by JimiRose:
Rant over, my thoughts are with the Libyan people and the suffering they have and inevitably will still endure on behalf of their despot.

Well... the half from the bunch of tribes in the east anyway.


With all of them, if Gadaffi would allow a fair election no one would be suffering as they all are now, and democracy could run it's course. It's not about supporting one side over another, it's about protecting human rights.
 03/19/2011 09:31:42 PM · #18
So your Prez is in the driver's seat now so suddenly it's not "head-over-heels"? I seem to remember it took MONTHS of diplomacy and a true ACT OF CONGRESS before the U.S. launched air strikes in Iraq. How long did Obama mull this attack over? When will congress be consulted.....where is that God darned drummer !!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Fiora:
As has been mentioned, US is only supporting our allies who are leading this.
Furthermore, Obama and others have said that NO US troops will be sent onto Libyan land, period.
They are only helping with a few submarines and planes that were already stationed in the area.

I personally think this was handled quite well by the US. No head-over-heels pushiness of military strength as past administrations have shown
03/19/2011 10:34:21 PM · #19
Originally posted by kenskid:
So your Prez is in the driver's seat now so suddenly it's not "head-over-heels"? I seem to remember it took MONTHS of diplomacy and a true ACT OF CONGRESS before the U.S. launched air strikes in Iraq. How long did Obama mull this attack over? When will congress be consulted.....where is that God darned drummer !!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Fiora:
As has been mentioned, US is only supporting our allies who are leading this.
Furthermore, Obama and others have said that NO US troops will be sent onto Libyan land, period.
They are only helping with a few submarines and planes that were already stationed in the area.

I personally think this was handled quite well by the US. No head-over-heels pushiness of military strength as past administrations have shown


I believe the difference is mainly in the situation, not the administration this time.
Citizens are being killed by their own government here, and the longer people wait the more people die. If this exact situation was happening with Bush in charge, I believe that I would still be in favor of it.
The little snide "head over heels" side comment on my part was admittedly not necessary. I apologize.
 03/19/2011 10:43:07 PM · #20
Originally posted by kenskid:
So your Prez is in the driver's seat now so suddenly it's not "head-over-heels"? I seem to remember it took MONTHS of diplomacy and a true ACT OF CONGRESS before the U.S. launched air strikes in Iraq. How long did Obama mull this attack over? When will congress be consulted.....where is that God darned drummer !!!!!!!!!!


Do you understand the difference between the US and the UN? The difference between our war in Iraq part two, a lightly veiled unilateral attack by the United States after failing to convince the UN to take action, and the Libyan situation, where the United States is a minor player in a United Nations action?

The closest analogy is to the UN action in Bosnia, where essentially we followed our European allies into a conflict where we provided limited support. I wont rehash how little international support we had going into Iraq the second time, no one else seemed to want to join us. In Libya the U.N. is going in at the request of the League of Arab States, and Europe is taking the lead in the fighting, as it should be since they get their oil there, and we are busy elsewhere.

You might not like this action, but we are doing the minimum we can get away with.
 03/19/2011 11:01:40 PM · #21
Originally posted by kenskid:
So your Prez is in the driver's seat now so suddenly it's not "head-over-heels"? I seem to remember it took MONTHS of diplomacy and a true ACT OF CONGRESS before the U.S. launched air strikes in Iraq. How long did Obama mull this attack over? When will congress be consulted.....where is that God darned drummer !!!!!!!!!!



You should turn on the news sometime. You will learn something about this event. It's one of the first times I can remember that the US did not jump in head first. The US, as a member of the UN, agreed to participate once the UN resolution on a no-fly-zone was passed. The US has also limited its commitment in this situation...
 03/19/2011 11:17:19 PM · #22
Originally posted by Dphoto:
Just saving this. Might have to post this again later. Since everything our President has said thus far has been absolutely true.

Doing my best to hide the sarcasm....

Ack! You're from Brookfield? That attitude usually comes from more rural areas like the Bible Belt and, well... Alaska.
 03/20/2011 12:10:51 AM · #23
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by kenskid:
So your Prez is in the driver's seat now so suddenly it's not "head-over-heels"? I seem to remember it took MONTHS of diplomacy and a true ACT OF CONGRESS before the U.S. launched air strikes in Iraq. How long did Obama mull this attack over? When will congress be consulted.....where is that God darned drummer !!!!!!!!!!



You should turn on the news sometime. You will learn something about this event. It's one of the first times I can remember that the US did not jump in head first. The US, as a member of the UN, agreed to participate once the UN resolution on a no-fly-zone was passed. The US has also limited its commitment in this situation...


If he turns on Fox...it won't make any difference.
 03/20/2011 07:36:02 AM · #24
However much the media tries to downplay it, Gadaffi has, and will continue to have, support from a large number of the population. However much he's demonised, and the 'he's bombing his own people' line is used.

Here's a clue;



That's how the country was divided back in the colonial days and as recently as 1963.

It's not a case of a mad dictator hunkering down in his golden palace with his entire population turned against him while he 'murders his own people'

It's an uprising - Inspired by events in Egypt and Tunisia, the tribes in the East (Cyrenaica) took their chances to oust Gadaffi, and have so far failed.

Maybe if they'd been better organised the rebellion might have worked. And we'd now have a mad dictator from Cyrenaica installed in Tripoli. But they messed it up, and now the UN have been dragged in.

Message edited by author 2011-03-20 07:37:21.
 03/20/2011 10:08:50 AM · #25

Team America - World Police - Fuck Yeah !

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