Is this trick video or just sick kids?

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08/28/2011 09:36:44 PM · #26

Which ones are gone?

Originally posted by Basta:

and here is shorter and to the point

If something goes wrong there is no second try

Free solo

Edit: Some of the guys in this video are no longer with us...

gg3rd

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08/28/2011 09:42:15 PM · #27

oh my, makes my stomach sick... (fainted now!)

Basta

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08/28/2011 10:11:17 PM · #28

Originally posted by kenskid:

Which ones are gone?

Originally posted by Basta:
and here is shorter and to the point

If something goes wrong there is no second try

Free solo

Edit: Some of the guys in this video are no longer with us...

Osman and Bachar , and what would be interesting on this site Reardon died during a photo shoot in Ireland

Message edited by author 2011-08-28 22:15:22.

Strikeslip

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08/29/2011 09:28:43 AM · #29

Originally posted by Basta:

Originally posted by kenskid:
Which ones are gone?

Originally posted by Basta:
and here is shorter and to the point

If something goes wrong there is no second try

Free solo

Edit: Some of the guys in this video are no longer with us...

Osman and Bachar , and what would be interesting on this site Reardon died during a photo shoot in Ireland

I have faith in their strength and skill.

I do not have faith in the rock faces. Sticking hands and fingers in the fissures is pretty safe, but grabbing a slab that's scaling off is risky. So is grabbing onto those pebbles that stick out of the finer sediment, or a more resistant sediment layer sticking out of less resistant.

Scaling is also a mining term, where miners stick a long bar between the roof or wall, and loose rock, to knock it down. I spent much of my youth knocking rock samples off of faces like the ones those guys were climbing, (but with my feet on or near the ground).

So when I see those climbers, I'm not nervous for them making a mistake, I'm nervous for the rock breaking off in their hand. Rock has fractures and 'tip lines' where stress is concentrated and it can break right off. You don't know where the fractures are unless you run some geophysics on it, and even that's iffy.

08/29/2011 10:21:44 AM · #30

Originally posted by kenskid:

Holy **** !!!

They're Russian, so yes it's real =).

If you're looking for extreme videos, proximity flying's pretty cool - //www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxMBCWfDV5Q

Originally posted by Basta:

Although Osman died putting his faith in to a rope that snapped, so really only one death in this video from free climbing.

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

So when I see those climbers, I'm not nervous for them making a mistake, I'm nervous for the rock breaking off in their hand. Rock has fractures and 'tip lines' where stress is concentrated and it can break right off. You don't know where the fractures are unless you run some geophysics on it, and even that's iffy.

Yeah, many of these sports are a gamble every time you go out, it's a real shame to see so many people killed in this way.

Message edited by author 2011-08-29 10:23:19.

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08/29/2011 10:31:27 AM · #31

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by Basta:

Originally posted by kenskid:
Which ones are gone?

Originally posted by Basta:
and here is shorter and to the point

If something goes wrong there is no second try

Free solo

Edit: Some of the guys in this video are no longer with us...

Osman and Bachar , and what would be interesting on this site Reardon died during a photo shoot in Ireland

I have faith in their strength and skill.

I do not have faith in the rock faces. Sticking hands and fingers in the fissures is pretty safe, but grabbing a slab that's scaling off is risky. So is grabbing onto those pebbles that stick out of the finer sediment, or a more resistant sediment layer sticking out of less resistant.

Scaling is also a mining term, where miners stick a long bar between the roof or wall, and loose rock, to knock it down. I spent much of my youth knocking rock samples off of faces like the ones those guys were climbing, (but with my feet on or near the ground).

So when I see those climbers, I'm not nervous for them making a mistake, I'm nervous for the rock breaking off in their hand. Rock has fractures and 'tip lines' where stress is concentrated and it can break right off. You don't know where the fractures are unless you run some geophysics on it, and even that's iffy.

Sometimes the rocks are already loose like massive the "Texas Flake" on El Capitan in Yosemite...it's not attached to the rock face and no one can explain why it hasn't fallen yet. It will one day and when it does, the energy released will be devastating for anything within range of the shock wave.

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08/29/2011 11:20:43 AM · #32

Originally posted by Basta:

and what would be interesting on this site Reardon died during a photo shoot in Ireland

He was swept away by a rogue wave in Valentia, Co. Kerry.

I was walking in the same mountain range only a few miles from there last Thursday. I didn't attempt any climbing :) although the mountains there are spectacular. I can see what attracted him to the place.

Basta

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08/29/2011 11:40:32 AM · #33

Originally posted by HawkinsT:

Yeah, many of these sports are a gamble every time you go out, it's a real shame to see so many people killed in this way.

Just to make it clear,

Rock Climbing (with proper use of gear) is a very safe sport... Free Soloing( no rope) is a part of climbing culture that can be ...lets say risky. There are two kind of climbers that will get into Free solo. The ones that have no idea what they are doing, and this is where most of the deaths occurred. Second group are the ones who are very aware of dangers and consequence, as well as there own ability.

Message edited by author 2011-08-29 11:43:27.

08/29/2011 12:08:46 PM · #34

Originally posted by HawkinsT:

Yeah, many of these sports are a gamble every time you go out, it's a real shame to see so many people killed in this way.

What makes a death that occurs while participating in some "risky" activity more shameful than any other death?

08/29/2011 12:27:06 PM · #35

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by HawkinsT:
Yeah, many of these sports are a gamble every time you go out, it's a real shame to see so many people killed in this way.

What makes a death that occurs while participating in some "risky" activity more shameful than any other death?

A shame as in regrettable, not shameful. I meant as in when the cause of death is not from the stupidity of the deceased but a factor outside of their control, which while I don't know too much about free climbing I have see in powder skiing:

You get people that decide to ski something with no knowledge of the area, without telling someone where they're going, without proper safety equipment or just generally way outside their abilities... now it's always unfortunate when someone gets injured of dies from this, but I find it far more unfortunate when someone experienced, skiing within their abilities with all proper precautions taken etc. dies in an avalanche or similar they just couldn't have predicted.

Basta

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08/29/2011 01:10:29 PM · #36

Originally posted by JH:

Originally posted by Basta:
and what would be interesting on this site Reardon died during a photo shoot in Ireland

He was swept away by a rogue wave in Valentia, Co. Kerry.

I was walking in the same mountain range only a few miles from there last Thursday. I didn't attempt any climbing :) although the mountains there are spectacular. I can see what attracted him to the place.

...out of all the things he was doing, his death was really a surprise. He got swept by a wave while standing on the shore posing for a photo, and his body was never recovered.

mbrutus2009

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08/29/2011 04:32:40 PM · #37

NO!!!!

There is NO way I would do this! :O

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08/29/2011 04:56:45 PM · #38

Originally posted by HawkinsT:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by HawkinsT:
Yeah, many of these sports are a gamble every time you go out, it's a real shame to see so many people killed in this way.

What makes a death that occurs while participating in some "risky" activity more shameful than any other death?

A shame as in regrettable, not shameful. I meant as in when the cause of death is not from the stupidity of the deceased but a factor outside of their control, which while I don't know too much about free climbing I have see in powder skiing:

You get people that decide to ski something with no knowledge of the area, without telling someone where they're going, without proper safety equipment or just generally way outside their abilities... now it's always unfortunate when someone gets injured of dies from this, but I find it far more unfortunate when someone experienced, skiing within their abilities with all proper precautions taken etc. dies in an avalanche or similar they just couldn't have predicted.

Do you think that anyone who predicted their death would proceed blithely to that death? Or that someone's level of knowledge (or lack thereof) of their own limitations and skills makes their accidental death more or less regrettable? I don't get how anyone's accidental death is more or less regrettable or unfortunate than any other.

Adz

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08/29/2011 05:17:12 PM · #39

Another video i've seen of similar risks, If it's real it's complete madness.

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08/30/2011 12:44:40 AM · #40

Originally posted by Spork99:

Do you think that anyone who predicted their death would proceed blithely to that death?

Not many, no.

Originally posted by Spork99:

Or that someone's level of knowledge (or lack thereof) of their own limitations and skills makes their accidental death more or less regrettable?

Yes, if someones death is easily avoidable though occurs through their own negligence I find their death, while still unfortunate, less so than someone who unavoidably dies through circumstances they couldn't have predicted.

Originally posted by Spork99:

I don't get how anyone's accidental death is more or less regrettable or unfortunate than any other.

Then we differ on this point.

Melethia

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08/30/2011 01:17:14 AM · #41

Originally posted by mbrutus2009:

NO!!!!

There is NO way I would do this! :O

I'd almost try that one. :-)

08/30/2011 03:05:13 AM · #42

Originally posted by HawkinsT:

Originally posted by Spork99:
Or that someone's level of knowledge (or lack thereof) of their own limitations and skills makes their accidental death more or less regrettable?

Yes, if someones death is easily avoidable though occurs through their own negligence I find their death, while still unfortunate, less so than someone who unavoidably dies through circumstances they couldn't have predicted.

To use your example of a skilled skier buried by an avalanche skiing the back country. They'd have to know there was a danger of avalanche just as part of their experience. Their knowledge and experience would make their demise a product of their own negligence since they proceeded to ski, despite the possibility of an avalanche and, according to your logic, less unfortunate than someone wholly ignorant of the risks. Instead of skiing, they could have stayed at home...yet they made a conscious choice to take that risk, knowing the danger and died.

08/30/2011 09:52:37 AM · #43

Originally posted by Spork99:

I believe you're misinterpreting my intention with my last post. The skill of the 'skier' was just part of that example, not the reason I find a death more or less tragic (but I will state again, still tragic either way), it's when stupidity such as blindly ignoring the risks is a major contributing factor in the death, so to go back to the example I gave, if a novice skier is buried by an avalanche I don't see that in any way as less regrettable than if an advanced skier dies in the same way. When stupid risks are taken however, for example if someone with little experience in powder decides to ski backcountry by themselves without telling anyone and without appropriate equipment (while aware of the risks of avalanches and other hazards) then they are far more to blame for their death I believe than someone that did as much as they possibly could to minimise the risks while still being able to do what they love. The first person in this example don't forget is also risking the lives of others (e.g. mountain rescue) probably far more than the second person and moreover doing so from failing to follow even very basic precautions.

If you feel differently about this I have no issue with that, but this is simply how I feel about these things.

Message edited by author 2011-08-30 09:52:48.

08/30/2011 06:50:04 PM · #44

Originally posted by HawkinsT:

Originally posted by Spork99:
To use your example of a skilled skier buried by an avalanche skiing the back country. They'd have to know there was a danger of avalanche just as part of their experience. Their knowledge and experience would make their demise a product of their own negligence since they proceeded to ski, despite the possibility of an avalanche and, according to your logic, less unfortunate than someone wholly ignorant of the risks. Instead of skiing, they could have stayed at home...yet they made a conscious choice to take that risk, knowing the danger and died.

I believe you're misinterpreting my intention with my last post. The skill of the 'skier' was just part of that example, not the reason I find a death more or less tragic (but I will state again, still tragic either way), it's when stupidity such as blindly ignoring the risks is a major contributing factor in the death, so to go back to the example I gave, if a novice skier is buried by an avalanche I don't see that in any way as less regrettable than if an advanced skier dies in the same way. When stupid risks are taken however, for example if someone with little experience in powder decides to ski backcountry by themselves without telling anyone and without appropriate equipment (while aware of the risks of avalanches and other hazards) then they are far more to blame for their death I believe than someone that did as much as they possibly could to minimise the risks while still being able to do what they love. The first person in this example don't forget is also risking the lives of others (e.g. mountain rescue) probably far more than the second person and moreover doing so from failing to follow even very basic precautions.

If you feel differently about this I have no issue with that, but this is simply how I feel about these things.

How would either one risk the lives of their rescuers more than the other, since they both need rescuing? From the POV of the resuers, their risk is independent of the person being rescued. In fact, since the person who took no precautions is more likely to die and recovery is much less risky than rescue, it's the experienced skier who places rescue personnel at greater risk.

FWIW, I've seen experienced mountain climbers angry that the SAR group would leave their gear behind, despite the fact that their helicopter is operating near its limit. Some experienced people are more than willing to place SAR personnel into greater unnecessary risk.

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08/31/2011 03:06:10 AM · #45

Well again, you're picking up on the experience of the person being the issue, which I've already stated, it's not. And as a very basic example: if you don't tell where you're going, it general takes a lot more man hours to find you, or your body, when you go missing. I really don't see why you're persistently taking issue with what I've said.

spiritualspatula

08/31/2011 06:04:04 AM · #46

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

People are funny about heights. falling any distance over twenty feet will most likely kill you, but a hundred foot drop, or a thousand foot drop makes people weak at the knees. Often these same people will take stupid risks cleaning out the gutters on a ten foot ladder. Its not the distance you fall that kills you, it's the impact of those last few inches.

Well that's a bunch of rubbish- I've fallen and jumped that far tons of times and while I wouldn't say anybody should go try it, I'm fine.
As for the original post, I'm sure it's a real video. As has been noted, heights are dealt with in very different ways by different folks. My girlfriend does more rock climbing than I do, and is much more accustomed to falls and taking lead falls than I, but she is not comfortable with sustained exposure on lower difficulty (class IV) routes, whereas I am.

As for the "Russian Bungee Jumping"
People have been doing this, which is known more commonly (at least whenever I've heard) as rope jumping, for awhile and you can do it in a pretty safe manner. Proper calculations and safety guidelines need to be followed. It's all about what your perception of risk is. Risk can be compensated for through preparation and proper technique. While I don't have reservations on sending a 40 foot jump on a bike, most would say this is highly risky. In reality, for me, the risk is far lower than most would ever think.