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08/04/2004 02:03:54 PM · #1 |
OSAMA BIN LADEN
BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE...
"I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]
...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA
"I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]
SADDAM/AL QAEDA LINK
BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM...
"You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02]
...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT
"We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11." [President Bush, 9/17/03]
WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION...
"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories... for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]
...BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
"David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons. And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]
IRAQ FUNDING
BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004...
"We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]
...BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004
"I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops." [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04]
CREATION OF THE 9/11 COMMISSION
BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION...
"President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION
"President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02]
DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY
BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY...
"So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY
"So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people." [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]
GAY MARRIAGE
BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE...
"The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into." [Gov. George W. Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live, 2/15/00]
...BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE
"Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife." [President Bush, 2/24/04]
SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS
BUSH PLEDGES NOT TO TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS...
"We're going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus." [President Bush, 3/3/01]
...BUSH SPENDS SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS
The New York Times reported that "the president's new budget uses Social Security surpluses to pay for other programs every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more than $1.4 trillion in Social Security funds to other purposes." [The New York Times, 2/6/02]
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08/04/2004 05:05:39 PM · #2 |
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08/04/2004 05:41:23 PM · #3 |
"I'm honored to shake the hand of a brave Iraqi citizen who had his hand cut off by Saddam Hussein." Washington, D.C., May 25, 2004
'I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family.'
read more Here !
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08/04/2004 05:51:21 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by bdobe:
IRAQ FUNDING
BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004...
"We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]
...BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004
"I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops." [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04] |
This is how the US Government gets money to fund top secrete projects like the stealth bomber and fighter. They were "officially" announced to the general public in 1988. But how long did hey exist before that with out the knowledge of the general public?? I dont have the exact dates with me but im sure they came about just a few months before 1988.
Im just very curious as to what top secrete aircraft they are working on now
James
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08/04/2004 06:02:14 PM · #5 |
Another of Mr. Bush's frequent flip flops:
NATION BUILDING
BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING...
"If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]
...BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING
"We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people." [President Bush, 3/6/03]
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08/04/2004 06:09:42 PM · #6 |
| Has anyone seen the current movie about the close ties between Fox News and the White House? I heard a review of it and I THINK i heard that the term flip flop which we hear so often now was coined in a Bush memoradum to Fox asking them to use flip flop in relation to John Kerry, please. Fox aired the term over and over in the next few days and so it has become lingo. Is this right? Does the movie actually say that? |
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08/04/2004 06:38:44 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by jab119:
Originally posted by bdobe:
IRAQ FUNDING
BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004...
"We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]
...BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004
"I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops." [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04] |
This is how the US Government gets money to fund top secrete projects like the stealth bomber and fighter. They were "officially" announced to the general public in 1988. But how long did hey exist before that with out the knowledge of the general public?? I dont have the exact dates with me but im sure they came about just a few months before 1988.
Im just very curious as to what top secrete aircraft they are working on now
James |
X45 unmanned combat air vehicle (UCAV). Can be put in a box that fits on a humvee. Can sit in that box for 30 years. Can be off the humvee and up in the air in 30 minutes, drop a few bombs, and come back. They have been test flown on multiple A/C missions and may be a year or two away from actual production. In reality, a kid in his dorm room between classes could fly a squadron of these on a sorte.
X50 (Dragonfly) unmanned jet that converts to a helicopter. Once the technolgy is mastered, manned versions will be built. It'll take off and land like a helicopter, but fly about 500 knots. It'll be used for attack and recon. They are designing it so an Apache pilot can fly it remotely, while flying the Apache. Currently in inital flight tests, they crashed one on a hover test. They haven't attempted a transition yet and the crash is putting them behind schedule. Probably several years away from production.
(both have been recently de-classified)
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08/04/2004 06:51:16 PM · #8 |
And yet another of Mr. Bush's frequent flip flops:
NORTH KOREA
BUSH WILL NOT OFFER NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM...
"We developed a bold approach under which, if the North addressed our long-standing concerns, the United States was prepared to take important steps that would have significantly improved the lives of the North Korean people. Now that North Korea's covert nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are unable to pursue this approach." [President's Statement, 11/15/02]
...BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFERS NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM
"Well, we will work to take steps to ease their political and economic isolation. So there would be -- what you would see would be some provisional or temporary proposals that would only lead to lasting benefit after North Korea dismantles its nuclear programs. So there would be some provisional or temporary efforts of that nature." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 6/23/04]
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08/04/2004 06:57:31 PM · #9 |
Someone on a similar post about Kerry stated that it is better that you change your mind and make the correct decision then to stay the course on a bad decision. I thought that was a very good post.
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08/04/2004 07:01:03 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by louddog:
Someone on a similar post about Kerry stated that it is better that you change your mind and make the correct decision then to stay the course on a bad decision. I thought that was a very good post. |
Agreed. I'm just highlighting the hypocrisy of those that make the charge against Mr. Kerry.
However, some of Mr. Bush statements go beyond changing one's mind:
OSAMA BIN LADEN
BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE...
"I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]
...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA
"I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]
Message edited by author 2004-08-04 19:09:17.
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08/04/2004 07:23:01 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by bdobe:
OSAMA BIN LADEN
BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE...
"I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]
...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA
"I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]
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Nope, no flip-flop here. Where in this quote does Bush refute what he said in the first quote? Show me which line says he doesnât want justice? Which line says he no longer want him dead or alive? Then show me in the first quote were he said heâs obsessing about Osama on a daily basis. So far youâre 0-1. Should I waste my time reading the rest?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.
But once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became -- we shoved him out more and more on the margins. He has no place to train his al Qaeda killers anymore. And if we -- excuse me for a minute -- and if we find a training camp, we'll take care of it. Either we will or our friends will. That's one of the things -- part of the new phase that's becoming apparent to the American people is that we're working closely with other governments to deny sanctuary, or training, or a place to hide, or a place to raise money.
And we've got more work to do. See, that's the thing the American people have got to understand, that we've only been at this six months. This is going to be a long struggle. I keep saying that; I don't know whether you all believe me or not. But time will show you that it's going to take a long time to achieve this objective. And I can assure you, I am not going to blink. And I'm not going to get tired. Because I know what is at stake. And history has called us to action, and I am going to seize this moment for the good of the world, for peace in the world and for freedom.
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08/04/2004 07:56:59 PM · #12 |
| I did not know the looney left was well and alive here ! |
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08/04/2004 08:00:16 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
I did not know the looney left was well and alive here ! |
I know this is rant and "unmoderated", but just because you don't agree with the opinions here, does not mean you are entitled to treat them or the people who espouse them without respect. Make a cogent argument if you have one, but refrain from baseless personal attacks.
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08/04/2004 08:45:27 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by thelsel:
Nope, no flip-flop here. Where in this quote does Bush refute what he said in the first quote? Show me which line says he doesn't want justice? Which line says he no longer want him dead or alive? Then show me in the first quote were he said he's obsessing about Osama on a daily basis. So far you're 0-1. Should I waste my time reading the rest? |
Here's what I believe the Osama Bin Laden quote demonstrates about Mr. Bush's policies: the elective Iraq war distracted us from the war against Al Queda, and diverted personnel and weaponry from the Afghan-Pakistan border, which allowed Osama Bin Landen to get away. Thus, Mr. Bush flip flopped on an explicit promise made to the American people.
At any rate, I've given you 10 of Mr. Bush's flip flops (and, yes, there are more); so, please, do read on. I'm interested to learn how you'd defend our Flip Flopper-in-Chief.
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08/04/2004 09:48:01 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by emorgan49:
Has anyone seen the current movie about the close ties between Fox News and the White House? I heard a review of it and I THINK i heard that the term flip flop which we hear so often now was coined in a Bush memoradum to Fox asking them to use flip flop in relation to John Kerry, please. Fox aired the term over and over in the next few days and so it has become lingo. Is this right? Does the movie actually say that? |
Yes. //www.outfoxed.org
And as a matter of fact, I was watching Outfoxed just now while reading this thread heh. Pretty good so far :) |
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08/04/2004 09:53:55 PM · #16 |
bdobe,
Thanks for all the good flip flops, some funny stuff... and sad. :/
Also,
Originally posted by louddog:
Someone on a similar post about Kerry stated that it is better that you change your mind and make the correct decision then to stay the course on a bad decision. I thought that was a very good post. |
indeed/agreed |
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08/05/2004 12:54:20 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by bdobe:
Originally posted by thelsel:
Nope, no flip-flop here. Where in this quote does Bush refute what he said in the first quote? Show me which line says he doesn't want justice? Which line says he no longer want him dead or alive? Then show me in the first quote were he said he's obsessing about Osama on a daily basis. So far you're 0-1. Should I waste my time reading the rest? |
Here's what I believe the Osama Bin Laden quote demonstrates about Mr. Bush's policies... |
Oh, I donât really care what you âbelieveâ, I thought you were posting this as actual facts not an op-ed piece. Iâll never be able to disprove what you âbelieveâ to be true. If you happen to come up with some actual hardcore facts let me know. Iâll be happy to point out the irrelevance.
Damn, I was ready to prove this one wrong too! Seeing how the first quote refers to fiscal year 2004 and the second quote refers to fiscal year 2005. Do you guys read these things before you cut and paste them from the web?
BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004...
"We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]
...BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004
"I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops." [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04]
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08/05/2004 03:39:27 AM · #18 |
Thelsel, the least you can do is post my complete quote... but since you won't be doing me any favors, let me make it easier on you. Here's what I wrote:
Originally posted by bdobe:
Here's what I believe the Osama Bin Laden quote demonstrates about Mr. Bush's policies: the elective Iraq war distracted us from the war against Al Queda, and diverted personnel and weaponry from the Afghan-Pakistan border, which allowed Osama Bin Landen to get away. Thus, Mr. Bush flip flopped on an explicit promise made to the American people.
At any rate, I've given you 10 of Mr. Bush's flip flops (and, yes, there are more); so, please, do read on. I'm interested to learn how you'd defend our Flip Flopper-in-Chief. |
So, looks as if you've given up defending our Flip Flopper-in-Chief and, in stead, choose to muddy-up the issue by coming after me. Well done! I see you're following Mr. Bush's playbook, that is: when all else fails, question your opponent's integrity -- just look at how Bush & Co. went after Mr. Richard Clarke -- and hope that something sticks.
Everyone saw through the Bush & Co. diversions at the time, and everyone can see through your feeble attempt at following the same playbook.
I'm sure you'd rather not have to defend Mr. Bush, given his life's record; but, please, don't say that you, too, now question Mr. Bush's own words. After all, these are Mr. Bush's (or his administration's) own words.
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08/05/2004 03:52:23 AM · #19 |
Cool shot !
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08/05/2004 07:47:23 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by bdobe:
Thelsel, the least you can do is post my complete quote... but since you won't be doing me any favors, let me make it easier on you. Here's what I wrote: |
Yes he has done that to me in another thread. Very anoying way of pulling the Fox way of doing biz. //www.outfoxed.org |
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08/05/2004 09:08:16 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by bdobe:
Thelsel, the least you can do is post my complete quote... |
Why? Your original message is right there for anybody who wants to read it, without having to read the whole thing again. thelsel provided the context for his reply, and that is all that is necessary.
This is called quote pruning or selective quoting and is considered "proper netiquette". I wish more people would take the time to reduce the size of their quotes, but most people are lazy and just hit "quote" button and start typing. (I consider this analogous to driving slow in the left lane; there is no law against it, but you shouldn't do it.) There are plenty of references to quoting netiquette on Google, including this one on quoting.
Excerpting:
"Quote only the text that will convey the context of your reply."
"Avoid posting messages containing the *entire* text of a preceding article. Nobody likes reading a long message for the third or forth time."
Message edited by author 2004-08-05 09:13:07. |
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08/05/2004 09:13:07 AM · #22 |
Eddy, I have to agree with your last line. :P
Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by bdobe:
Thelsel, the least you can do is post my complete quote... |
Why? Your original message is right there for anybody who wants to read it, without having to read the whole thing again. thelsel provided the context for his reply, and that is all that is necessary.
This is called quote pruning or selective quoting and is considered "proper netiquette". I wish more people would take the time to reduce the size of their quotes, but most people are lazy and just hit "quote" button and start typing. There are plenty of references to quoting netiquette on Google, including this one on quoting.
Excerpting:
"Quote only the text that will convey the context of your reply."
"Avoid posting messages containing the *entire* text of a preceding article. Nobody likes reading a long message for the third or forth time." |
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08/05/2004 09:13:51 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by Jacko:
Eddy, I have to agree with your last line. :P |
Always the funny boy Jacques! =] |
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08/05/2004 09:39:13 AM · #24 |
It would appear that there is a Michael Moore wannabe on the loose. Please forgive me for the excessive quoting - there is no pruning that I could do in formulating my responses. Bdobe requested a rebuttal of his list of Bush Flip-Flops, so I feel compelled to list them as I rebut them.
Originally posted by bdobe:
OSAMA BIN LADEN
BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE...
"I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]
...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA
"I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02] |
First. Bush didn't say he doesn't care - those are YOUR words. Bush merely said that he ( personally ) didn't spend that much time on him ( Osama ) and is not that concerned about him. Why? Because he ( Bush ) trusts that those charged with finding Osama are still working on it. Secondly, you do that which you condemn in others - that is, not post the complete quote. In this case, President Bush's quote continued by saying "I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban. But once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became -- we shoved him out more and more on the margins. He has no place to train his al Qaeda killers anymore." Note, that Bush didn't say he didn't care - Osama is still wanted - dead or alive - but is just not the focus of Bush's attention. I don't see any flip-flop there.
Originally posted by bdobe:
SADDAM/AL QAEDA LINK
BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM...
"You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02]
...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT
"We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11." [President Bush, 9/17/03] |
Both true - but not a flip-flop, as you imply. The attacks on 9/11 were not the sum total of all of the battles in the war on terror. Your comparison is like comparing when Kerry said that he "defended his country" in Vietnam 04/27/04...with...Kerry says that the Vietnam War was "the biggest nothing in history" [04/22/71.
Originally posted by bdobe:
WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION...
"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories... for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]
...BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
"David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons. And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04] |
Hmm. It appears that you haven't the capacity to differentiate between "weapons" and "stockpiles" of weapons. Your second leadline states that "Bush says we haven't found weapons of mass destruction" - but, of course, he never said that. Just like Mr. Moore, you make up quotes when you can't find one you like.
Originally posted by bdobe:
IRAQ FUNDING
BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004...
"We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]
...BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004
"I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops." [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04] |
Gee. Do all liberals have a problem in telling the difference between FY2004 ) and FY2005? Again, your leadline is a direct misstatement, a la Mr. Moore - Bush did not ask for additional funds for Iraq for 2004 - he asked for contingency reserves for 2005. Big difference. But, hey, why let a little thing like that get in the way of creating a good bash-Bush headline.
Originally posted by bdobe:
CREATION OF THE 9/11 COMMISSION
BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION...
"President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION
"President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02] |
Hey, how about that. Just like Mr. Moore, you occasionally get something right. Left out a few facts, of course, but what the heck. The facts are that Bush opposed an independent commission for reasons that were later remedied through negotiation, thus removing his objections to its formation. Hey, I was against signing the purchase agreement for my car, until the salesman reduced the price to one I felt I could accept. Of course, YOU would call that a flip-flop. I would just call it good negotiation.
Originally posted by bdobe:
DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY
BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY...
"So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY
"So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people." [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02] |
Hey, another one close to being right. "Senior aides said the president had a change of heart after observing homeland security efforts over the last nine months and hearing recommendations from administration officials who looked into their effectiveness, including White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card and Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge".
Originally posted by bdobe:
GAY MARRIAGE
BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE...
"The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into." [Gov. George W. Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live, 2/15/00]
...BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE
"Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife." [President Bush, 2/24/04] |
Ah. Back to your old tricks, a la Mr. Moore, and, again, in violation of not posting the complete quote. Bush, of course, did NOT say that gay marriage is a state issue as you claim he did. He was responding to a specific question - Larry King asked him "So if a state were voting on gay marriage, you would suggest to that state not to approve it?" - so, naturally, Bush responded on what he would suggest to "that state". Namely, he answered the question about what he would suggest to that state. Observe, if you are able, that the answer was "state's issue" ( singular ) not "states' issue" ( plural ).
Originally posted by bdobe:
SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS
BUSH PLEDGES NOT TO TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS...
"We're going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus." [President Bush, 3/3/01]
...BUSH SPENDS SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS
The New York Times reported that "the president's new budget uses Social Security surpluses to pay for other programs every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more than $1.4 trillion in Social Security funds to other purposes." [The New York Times, 2/6/02] |
Hmm. More Democratic Party alarmist bulls*** meant to scare old people into voting for Democrats, who promise to not "spend" Social Security Surpluses - but, of course, that too, is misleading:
"Myth: Using the Social Security surpluses for tax cuts or new spending will drain the trust fund.
Fact: Regardless of how theyâre used, all Social Security surpluses are given to the Treasury in exchange for IOUs.
If the programâs surpluses are spent on other government programs, the trust fund collects special-issue government bonds. If theyâre used for tax relief, the trust fund collects the same IOUs. And if the surpluses are used to shrink the national debt, the same thing happens. In other words, the trust fund doesnât change in size, no matter how the surpluses are used. The Treasury could rake the surpluses into a big pile and burn them, and the trust fund would still have the same amount of IOUs.
As the Clinton administration noted in its 2000 budget, trust fund balances exist âonly in a bookkeeping sense ... They do not consist of real economic assets that can be drawn down in the future to fund benefits.â ref here
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08/05/2004 12:26:09 PM · #25 |
I am a registered republican that voted for Perrot in 92, Dole in 96, Bush in 2000 - but supported McCain in the primaries. In 2004, for the first time, I dont know who will get my vote. I look at Bush and seriously question if he knows what he is doing. I dont know who said it, but lately I been thinking alot about this quote, "I didnt leave the party, the party left me."
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