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08/08/2004 06:53:02 AM · #1 |
I may be asking a question that has been asked numerous times, but is there any consideration of experience levels when applying a critique?
Let me explain what I mean, there are many levels of photographers who submit to challenges from complete beginners to Pros. I would hesitate to join the CC in case I wrote a critique that would effect someones future as a photographer because of something I said.
Of course a complete novice can take a stunning shot, just as a Pro can, but with no indictation on submissions of the experience level of the photographer, this could dishearten a novice if the photo was critised harshly.
I don't like the idea of an elitist group at the top and novices at the bottom, but I do think members could carry some kind of grading so the person doing the critique could approach the submission on a different level. An average shot from a beginner is better than an average shot from a Pro. As an average photographer, I would prefer basic critism rather than a page stating how I should have used tweaks in PhotoShop. The basic lessons of photography...composition, lighting, dof, etc are the advice most of us seek, to help improve and hone our skills.
Does this make sense, a grading system for critiques? |
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08/08/2004 07:49:53 AM · #2 |
I think that is a good idea wolfie..I am not wishing to be a member of the CC but I understand what you mean..
I don't leave comments on the challenge photos a lot of the time, because I am a novice and don't want to say the wrong thing.So I do understand where you are coming from. |
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08/08/2004 09:04:08 AM · #3 |
I don't know if I am speaking for the entire critique club but I know myself when I do a critique I try to point out the flaws as well as the strengths.
No one is going to be stopped by a good critique, its almost like the comments your high school english teacher would put on at test. They are here is what is wrong with this and here is what is right with it. They are constructive not hurtful.
If anything its the rude comments during a challenge that can hurt and stop someone. I know of a few people just off the top of my head that were discouraged by the comments during a challenge.
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08/08/2004 09:33:06 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by Anni:
I don't leave comments on the challenge photos a lot of the time, because I am a novice and don't want to say the wrong thing.So I do understand where you are coming from. |
Leaving comments has sometimes helped a lot of the new photographers here actually become better. Doing so makes you really look at the picture and analyze what you do and don't like in the photo, which in turn helps you to see this in your own photography.
Please do comment as much as you can, as a novice or otherwise - it helps the person giving and receiving! Even though you may not know everything about the technicalities of a photograph and the post processing, you can still comment about what you like.
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08/08/2004 09:36:52 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by tfaust:
Originally posted by Anni:
I don't leave comments on the challenge photos a lot of the time, because I am a novice and don't want to say the wrong thing.So I do understand where you are coming from. |
Leaving comments has sometimes helped a lot of the new photographers here actually become better. Doing so makes you really look at the picture and analyze what you do and don't like in the photo, which in turn helps you to see this in your own photography.
Please do comment as much as you can, as a novice or otherwise - it helps the person giving and receiving! Even though you may not know everything about the technicalities of a photograph and the post processing, you can still comment about what you like. |
I agree with the comments, but you haven't answered my question about grading critiques |
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08/08/2004 09:51:47 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by Wolfie:
Originally posted by tfaust:
Originally posted by Anni:
I don't leave comments on the challenge photos a lot of the time, because I am a novice and don't want to say the wrong thing.So I do understand where you are coming from. |
Leaving comments has sometimes helped a lot of the new photographers here actually become better. Doing so makes you really look at the picture and analyze what you do and don't like in the photo, which in turn helps you to see this in your own photography.
Please do comment as much as you can, as a novice or otherwise - it helps the person giving and receiving! Even though you may not know everything about the technicalities of a photograph and the post processing, you can still comment about what you like. |
I agree with the comments, but you haven't answered my question about grading critiques |
Actually I was responding to Anni here, as you'll notice by my quoting her post. I'm not part of the critique club and I really don't have much of an opinion on the subject of a grading system, hence the reason I didn't say anything about that. I think the cc commenting is fine the way it is. If a photo is 'judged' harshly, maybe it needed to be. |
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08/08/2004 12:19:12 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Wolfie:
I may be asking a question that has been asked numerous times, but is there any consideration of experience levels when applying a critique?
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There shouldn't be. A critique is an opinion. Whether or not the person giving the critique understands the artists intent is another story.
Originally posted by Wolfie:
Let me explain what I mean, there are many levels of photographers who submit to challenges from complete beginners to Pros. I would hesitate to join the CC in case I wrote a critique that would effect someones future as a photographer because of something I said.
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If a photographer asks for a critique and then can't deal with the result, that's an entirely different issue. Some people who provide critique are definitely better at it than others, but it's a roll of the dice when you ask for critique. You have to be prepared to hear something you may not like. You also have to be prepared to hear from people who don't see the image the same way you do.
Originally posted by Wolfie:
Of course a complete novice can take a stunning shot, just as a Pro can, but with no indictation on submissions of the experience level of the photographer, this could dishearten a novice if the photo was critised harshly.
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This is a shortcoming of the person giving the critique. A harsh critique can be worded in such a way that it doesn't offend the photographer. It takes a little extra time and effort, but it's not hard to do.
Originally posted by Wolfie:
I don't like the idea of an elitist group at the top and novices at the bottom, but I do think members could carry some kind of grading so the person doing the critique could approach the submission on a different level. An average shot from a beginner is better than an average shot from a Pro. As an average photographer, I would prefer basic critism rather than a page stating how I should have used tweaks in PhotoShop. The basic lessons of photography...composition, lighting, dof, etc are the advice most of us seek, to help improve and hone our skills.
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When you write your own comments for a challenge submission, or any other photo where you are asking for a critique, include what type of critique you are looking for in that information. If you already know some of the 'shortcomings' of the photo, say so and the person giving critique can avoid spending time on issues you are already aware of.
Originally posted by Wolfie:
Does this make sense, a grading system for critiques? |
Not really. Being able to 'self critique' is important also. Once a photographer is able to do this, harsh critiques received from people with no tact won't be so harsh. If you already know where your photo offers points of 'attack', then how bad can it hurt when someone points those out to you?
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08/08/2004 12:36:50 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Wolfie:
...Does this make sense, a grading system for critiques? |
It makes perfect sense to me, but I doubt an all-inclusive vote on the merit of a critique would result in qualified ratings. I cannot envision a different process within the overall context and spirit of DPC as a viable alternative.
In light of this, John's appeal for self-critique is, I believe, sensible.
Message edited by author 2004-08-08 12:40:42.
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08/08/2004 12:45:28 PM · #9 |
Thanks for the replies, it does make more sense to me now. Perhaps I'm just a big softie who doesn't want to upset people.
If we couldn't take critique, guess we shouldn't ask for it. |
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