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08/08/2004 10:51:41 AM · #1
Hi all, I am going to be traveling to Las Vegas next week and I want to take some night time shots of all the lights on the strip as well as some shots of the fountains at the Belagio Hotel. Any tips would be most appreciated.
dc
08/08/2004 10:54:09 AM · #2
Start w/ a good tripod.
Then a fast lense.

Enjoy. Great town.
08/08/2004 10:56:14 AM · #3
Thanks flash. I will be taking my tripod, but I dont have as fast a lense as I would like. I may have to do the old clock and bulb technique.
dc
08/08/2004 11:25:55 AM · #4
Low ISO is helpful too.
08/08/2004 11:38:32 AM · #5
Damon,

I've looked at your portfolio and clearly you know how to shoot pictures. A fast lense that has made appearances in other threads recently is the 50mm. For a hundred bucks you can get a f/1.8 and for around 300 you can get a f/1.4 (Nikkors of course). If you do not have one, it would make a very worthwhile addition to your arsenal. I have shot inside bowling alleys with just lane lights on and ISO400. Great colors. With the wattage on the strip, it will approximate sunset. Gorgeous.

Enjoy.
08/08/2004 12:52:48 PM · #6
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08/08/2004 01:13:20 PM · #7
I love night photography but don't find the need for fast lenses for most shots. Long exposures at low ISOs is what it's all about. Experiment with different apertures. Small apertures (around f/22) will have interesting star-shaped points on bright lights in the scene (this is the light reflecting off the aperture blades in the lens), which large apertures (f/4 or so) will have rounder smoother lights.

Mainly just use a tripod, use the self timer or cable release, bracket the exposures and use the histogram! Because the LCD is deceptively bright when you're shooting in the dark... you'll find some of the shots are underexposed when you get home and load them on the computer if you're not careful.

Play with the white balance too, tungsten gives a cooler feel that is usually slightly more natural feeling than daylight balance which will be much warmer and oranger (new word I made up).

And have FUN. 8-)
08/08/2004 01:13:23 PM · #8
A tripod is definitely a useful tool for low light photography.

The 'fast lens' concept is one that makes me think though... An f/1.8 lens will definitely allow a faster shutter speed by opening up the aperture all the way. In low light photography, are there never any considerations of depth of field? We can certainly shoot at f/1.8 and get a faster shutter speed to help stop motion. At the same time, we sacrifice depth of field in the shot.

When I think about night shots, especially in downtown Las Vegas, I think about movement, lights, and everything else associated with the hustle and bustle of sin city :) I think a good amount of motion blur of people moving within the frame can add a nice quality to this theme. It also makes the people in the photo unidentifiable, which is a good thing also.

When I find myself shooting in low light, there are a couple things that are usually constant. 1 - I will be shooting at a high ISO... 800 or 1600 minimum. The area of 'low light' where I can shoot at 100, 200, or 400 simply by using a larger aperture is a very narrow area. I don't find myself working in that situation very often at all. 2 - I will be using a -1EV. Low light and darker scenes automatically get over exposed by your camera by about one stop, if not more. Using the -1EV automatically makes my shutter speed twice as fast as it would be otherwise, and it's not underexposing the photo.

My advice to you is to simply experiment with what you have. When you are working with the lights at night, you can meter for those lights and get good hand held shots. Get comfortable with shooting in manual mode. The nice thing about shooting in the Las Vegas environment at night is that the light won't be changing with any significance (not withstainding the fountain photos). Point your camera at the lights in the scene and adjust your exposure for those lights, recompose, and shoot the shot. When you recompose, your meter is going to tell you funny things, because it may not be looking directly at the lights anymore. Give it a try....

08/08/2004 04:33:33 PM · #9
I have seen some very cool results with long exposures to get that glow and hustle of vegas, combined with second curtain off camera flash to pop some crisp movment into the foreground. And remember how much the casino operators love having people take pictures inside the caino, they make homland security look like the boy scouts.
08/08/2004 04:45:37 PM · #10
I have to say that Vegas night shooting is the best. SO much to see and shoot. Be creative and the good thing about Vegas is the lights are on all night, so there is plenty of time to experiment with shots and get what you are looking for. Shoot different exposures and apertures. Use a tripod and for me finding the shot without the crowd and people was worth it.

08/08/2004 10:11:07 PM · #11
Thank you all who responded to my thread. I was at work and got tied up. By the time I got back to it it was 8 hrs later.

Bad Bad boy entertaining my addiction on work time!!!!
dc
08/08/2004 10:48:23 PM · #12
Before tonight I had no idea what "second curtain" was. As I was looking for articles on second curtain I came across this story.

Second Curtain Flash

Enjoy. =)
08/08/2004 11:27:11 PM · #13
Originally posted by garrywhite2:

Before tonight I had no idea what "second curtain" was. As I was looking for articles on second curtain I came across this story.

Second Curtain Flash

Enjoy. =)


that was a good story.
08/08/2004 11:51:30 PM · #14
yes, it was! Thanks.
08/08/2004 11:54:11 PM · #15
Thanks Gary that article was great!!
dc
08/09/2004 12:11:26 AM · #16

I was there, too. I only got to spend one evening and we had to cut it short and backtrack because hubby left his cell phone in one ? of the 10 previous places we had been....luckily for us, someone turned it in to "lost and found". Amazing, but true. :) There are good people out there.
08/10/2004 12:57:29 AM · #17
Sorry to jack this thread, but does anyone know if you're allowed to carry a photo backpack into casinos?
08/10/2004 01:01:21 AM · #18
I carried mine in and wasn't questioned. Didn't really think about it being a problem until you asked. Maybe I was just lucky.
08/10/2004 01:21:11 AM · #19
I carried mine into almost every casino on the strip and never even got a glance. You will be fine.
08/10/2004 04:04:39 AM · #20
Were any of you gambling or just walking around?
08/10/2004 04:37:41 AM · #21
I got plenty of great night shots at Vegas w/ no tripod (I hate carrying one around if I don't have to). Just my little old Sony, and it can't do what the D100 can with the higher ISOs. Not trying to throw you off, but I would'nt even worry about the tripod, it just gets in the way, and there are so many people walking around there it's hard to set one up without being a nuisance. I have one of the photos posted on my website- //www.bgreenphotos.net/vegas.html
08/10/2004 04:50:53 AM · #22
Originally posted by briphoto:

I got plenty of great night shots at Vegas w/ no tripod (I hate carrying one around if I don't have to). Just my little old Sony, and it can't do what the D100 can with the higher ISOs. Not trying to throw you off, but I would'nt even worry about the tripod, it just gets in the way, and there are so many people walking around there it's hard to set one up without being a nuisance. I have one of the photos posted on my website- //www.bgreenphotos.net/vegas.html


Great photograph - now if you had used a tripod those people would be nicely blurred as would the cars ;)
08/10/2004 05:59:30 AM · #23
look for derek baumgartners site I think it is www.pixelart. he is the master of the night shot
08/10/2004 06:04:12 AM · #24
OK, I just got back from Vegas. And I, too, have a photo of Paris Hotel.
I carried a camera backpack into every casino I went into - I went into MANY!! I did not have a tripod, but wished I did for some shots.
Don't forget that it will be very hot when you are there - setting up shots will be a trick with the heat and all of the tourists (like we all are/were).
Also, consider setting up for the Bellagio fountain display in a few spots (not just on the front sidewalk - which is beautiful) but from the sides, as well.

Also, please get a picture of the Eiffel Tower, Las Vegas at the Paris Casino - the rest of us did!
08/10/2004 08:52:43 AM · #25
You can go a long way just using a small, table top tripod as a 'brace' against street lamps, signs etc - there are usually a lot of people on the strip so a tripod might get in the way quite a bit.

Also realise that you can use a tripod, when it is collapsed down as a brace, against walls etc - again, not getting in the way so much.

Some sort of tripod/ brace is really useful - here's why


1/10s f9.5 - I can't handhold this sharp!

Maybe consider using the crowds at bellagio as part of the composition too


Best time to get good shots on the strip is actually around sunset, before it gets too dark.

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