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06/06/2012 01:49:03 PM · #226 |
Originally posted by chazoe:
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
I don't understand what about homosexuality is so reprehensible.
Why are people intolerant towards homosexuals?
Why do members of society want to stop homosexuals from marrying?
How would allowing homosexuals to marry affect any facet of your life?
Remember it wasn't long ago homosexuals could have been replaced with African Americans in your country. I see this as being no different.
CS |
You say "your country" as if racism never existed outside of the US. Please tell us how that is. |
Tolerant.
[sarcasm font = on] Haven't you heard about how we survive the bitter Canadian winters? We find the biggest, hairiest man we can and cuddle in against him for warmth. If (like me) you are the big, hairy man your life is full of joy because everybody wants to cuddle you. [/sarcasm]
Seriously, what people who are against gay marriage are saying is that they're against same-sex couples being socially accepted because then it would be wrong to be a bigot and not accept them yourself.
Marriage is just the commitment, legally, to spend the rest of your life with someone. Same sex couples are going to do that the same as heterosexual couples. Some marry, some don't but stay together regardless. Why deny them what most everybody wants: to be accepted in society as an equal? That's the point here. You could replace homosexual with anything else (heterosexual, inter-racial, inter-species, intergalactic-inter-species) and you'd have the same thing.
Message edited by author 2012-06-06 13:50:36. |
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06/06/2012 01:51:07 PM · #227 |
Originally posted by chazoe:
You say "your country" as if racism never existed outside of the US. Please tell us how that is. |
Thank  GeneralE, good response.
I also say your country because Canada never had laws against miscegenation, your country did.
CS
Message edited by author 2012-06-06 13:51:29. |
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06/06/2012 01:53:35 PM · #228 |
| Personally, I think we should just ban marriage all together. We'd all be happier, and you could live with whoever, whenever, whatever way you want. ;D |
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06/06/2012 01:55:26 PM · #229 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Personally, I think we should just ban marriage all together. We'd all be happier, and you could live with whoever, whenever, whatever way you want. ;D |
That's the coolest thing that's been said here today ;-)
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06/06/2012 01:58:14 PM · #230 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Personally, I think we should just ban marriage all together. We'd all be happier, and you could live with whoever, whenever, whatever way you want. ;D |
but then how will we get our tax breaks? |
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06/06/2012 01:58:20 PM · #231 |
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
Originally posted by chazoe:
You say "your country" as if racism never existed outside of the US. Please tell us how that is. |
Thank GeneralE, good response.
I also say your country because Canada never had laws against miscegenation, your country did.
CS |
There was slavery in Canada as well is immigration laws that did not allow blacks to immigrate to Canada.
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06/06/2012 01:59:29 PM · #232 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Personally, I think we should just ban marriage all together. We'd all be happier, and you could live with whoever, whenever, whatever way you want. ;D |
but then how will we get our tax breaks? |
Plus think of all those poor divorce lawyers that would lose their jobs. |
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06/06/2012 02:00:37 PM · #233 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Personally, I think we should just ban marriage all together. We'd all be happier, and you could live with whoever, whenever, whatever way you want. ;D |
but then how will we get our tax breaks? |
Ever heard of the marriage penalty? You actually pay more being married. |
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06/06/2012 02:00:41 PM · #234 |
Originally posted by chazoe:
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
Originally posted by chazoe:
You say "your country" as if racism never existed outside of the US. Please tell us how that is. |
Thank GeneralE, good response.
I also say your country because Canada never had laws against miscegenation, your country did.
CS |
There was slavery in Canada as well is immigration laws that did not allow blacks to immigrate to Canada. |
We know the archaic times we all come from, lets learn from the past and not make the same mistakes towards another minority. |
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06/06/2012 02:01:02 PM · #235 |
Originally posted by chazoe:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Personally, I think we should just ban marriage all together. We'd all be happier, and you could live with whoever, whenever, whatever way you want. ;D |
but then how will we get our tax breaks? |
Plus think of all those poor divorce lawyers that would lose their jobs. |
they would just be rebranded to handle the breakup of every other relationship, actually on second though marriage probably simplifies things. |
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06/06/2012 02:01:34 PM · #236 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Personally, I think we should just ban marriage all together. We'd all be happier, and you could live with whoever, whenever, whatever way you want. ;D |
but then how will we get our tax breaks? |
Ever heard of the marriage penalty? You actually pay more being married. |
i though Bush got rid of that? |
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06/06/2012 02:01:37 PM · #237 |
Originally posted by chazoe:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Personally, I think we should just ban marriage all together. We'd all be happier, and you could live with whoever, whenever, whatever way you want. ;D |
but then how will we get our tax breaks? |
Plus think of all those poor divorce lawyers that would lose their jobs. |
They'd have to get real jobs! |
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06/06/2012 02:03:14 PM · #238 |
Originally posted by chazoe:
There was slavery in Canada as well is immigration laws that did not allow blacks to immigrate to Canada. |
Please explain how that is relevant to a discussion of civil rights in the USA today ... |
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06/06/2012 02:03:15 PM · #239 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Personally, I think we should just ban marriage all together. We'd all be happier, and you could live with whoever, whenever, whatever way you want. ;D |
but then how will we get our tax breaks? |
Ever heard of the marriage penalty? You actually pay more being married. |
i though Bush got rid of that? |
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_penalty |
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06/06/2012 02:04:43 PM · #240 |
Originally posted by jagar:
We know the archaic times we all come from, lets learn from the past and not make the same mistakes towards another minority. |
Much better than the scathing remarks I was going to post.
CS |
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06/06/2012 02:07:46 PM · #241 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Personally, I think we should just ban marriage all together. We'd all be happier, and you could live with whoever, whenever, whatever way you want. ;D |
Hey. They did that in Brave New World. It worked out well for them... ;) |
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06/06/2012 02:09:07 PM · #242 |
Originally posted by jagar:
Originally posted by chazoe:
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
Originally posted by chazoe:
You say "your country" as if racism never existed outside of the US. Please tell us how that is. |
Thank GeneralE, good response.
I also say your country because Canada never had laws against miscegenation, your country did.
CS |
There was slavery in Canada as well is immigration laws that did not allow blacks to immigrate to Canada. |
We know the archaic times we all come from, lets learn from the past and not make the same mistakes towards another minority. |
I completely agree with this |
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06/06/2012 02:09:52 PM · #243 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Personally, I think we should just ban marriage all together. We'd all be happier, and you could live with whoever, whenever, whatever way you want. ;D |
but then how will we get our tax breaks? |
Ever heard of the marriage penalty? You actually pay more being married. |
i though Bush got rid of that? |
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_penalty |
says it was due to return in 2011 but i thought congress re-upped it. |
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06/06/2012 02:10:38 PM · #244 |
Originally posted by jagar:
We know the archaic times we all come from, lets learn from the past and not make the same mistakes towards another minority. |
who are we supposed to blame our problems on? |
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06/06/2012 02:11:03 PM · #245 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by chazoe:
So Minso's point is spot on. The same government that won't acknowledge their marriage is protecting them from a photographer who is doing the same. |
Well since a commitment ceremony is not an official marriage, New Mexico doesn't have a problem with it and neither should the photographer. |
So if it was a marriage ceremony it would be ok for the photographer to decline? The only reason it isn't a marriage ceremony is because the government doesn't allow it, they are discriminating in that aspect while punishing the photographer for choosing not to do it.
Personally I have no problem photographing it or pretty much anything else, I can stand firm in my beliefs while still providing the service but shouldn't I have a choice? Shouldn't your moral beliefs be acknowledged? I have a big problem with this being a big deal when there really was no harm, the photographer didn't seem to be mean or condemning about it, they just stated that they didn't feel right morally. Why is this a problem and being taken to court when people like the westboro church are free to openly bash and truly discriminate homosexuals? |
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06/06/2012 02:13:01 PM · #246 |
Originally posted by MinsoPhoto:
Why is this a problem and being taken to court when people like the westboro church are free to openly bash and truly discriminate homosexuals? |
becuase its understood they are nutjobs.
Message edited by author 2012-06-06 14:15:29. |
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06/06/2012 02:13:17 PM · #247 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Personally, I think we should just ban marriage all together. We'd all be happier, and you could live with whoever, whenever, whatever way you want. ;D |
but then how will we get our tax breaks? |
Ever heard of the marriage penalty? You actually pay more being married. |
i though Bush got rid of that? |
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_penalty |
says it was due to return in 2011 but i thought congress re-upped it. |
Not sure, but it never really did fix it. Found this... When the 2001 Bush tax cuts were put in place, the marriage penalty tax was eliminated for most taxpayers by doubling the single standard deduction for married taxpayers.
It's set to expire again though...
Read more: //www.mydollarplan.com/marriage-tax-penalty/#ixzz1x2RvLdz4
Message edited by author 2012-06-06 14:19:02. |
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06/06/2012 02:14:05 PM · #248 |
Originally posted by chazoe:
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
I don't understand what about homosexuality is so reprehensible.
Why are people intolerant towards homosexuals?
Why do members of society want to stop homosexuals from marrying?
How would allowing homosexuals to marry affect any facet of your life?
Remember it wasn't long ago homosexuals could have been replaced with African Americans in your country. I see this as being no different.
CS |
You say "your country" as if racism never existed outside of the US. Please tell us how that is. |
Originally posted by chazoe:
I completely agree with this |
What was your initial point then?
I was asking about my questions and simply mentioned you could replace homosexuals with African Americans, knowing that the US where you live, had laws against miscegenation.
CS
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06/06/2012 02:23:09 PM · #249 |
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
Originally posted by chazoe:
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
I don't understand what about homosexuality is so reprehensible.
Why are people intolerant towards homosexuals?
Why do members of society want to stop homosexuals from marrying?
How would allowing homosexuals to marry affect any facet of your life?
Remember it wasn't long ago homosexuals could have been replaced with African Americans in your country. I see this as being no different.
CS |
You say "your country" as if racism never existed outside of the US. Please tell us how that is. |
Originally posted by chazoe:
I completely agree with this |
What was your initial point then?
I was asking about my questions and simply mentioned you could replace homosexuals with African Americans, knowing that the US where you live, had laws against miscegenation.
CS |
It just came across, to me anyway, as very arrogant(not sure if arrogant is the right word). The way you wrote "in your country" came off as if you were implying the same isn't true for your own country. |
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06/06/2012 02:28:13 PM · #250 |
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
I was asking about my questions and simply mentioned you could replace homosexuals with African Americans, knowing that the US where you live, had laws against miscegenation.
CS |
Finding analogies is difficult because there are ways in which things fit, but others in which it doesn't.
Comparing the issue to civil rights draws ties with discrimination against minorities.
Comparing the issue to polygamy draws ties with the idea there are cultural limits imposed upon activities like marriage.
People who support gay marriage will gravitate to the civil rights analogy. People against will gravitate to the polygamy analogy.
Ask your three questions about polygamists. There really aren't any more satisfying answered on that front either. Sometimes this leads to people putting on a brave face and declaring they are for polygamy as well, but there is no cultural swell to do so and nobody really minds that there isn't.
(This has been gone over in that 30,000 post thread. The point is that when people bust out analogies that make it seem plainly obvious what the answer is they fail to understand the opposition doesn't think the analogy fits (and that's why the answer isn't as plainly obvious as thought). It's what makes the issue divisive. The two sides talk past each other. One group says it's about discrimination. The other group says it's about cultural and traditional norms.
Message edited by author 2012-06-06 14:30:22. |
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