High votes on boring photographs - how?

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10/03/2012 09:14:07 AM · #26

Originally posted by jusjoshing:

Staying at or above a 5 average would be a healthy voter IMO.

I'm quite healthy.
I still qualify for the elite status in most races, am decently strong, haven't been injured in eons.

chazoe

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10/03/2012 09:15:57 AM · #27

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by jusjoshing:
Staying at or above a 5 average would be a healthy voter IMO.

I'm quite healthy.
I still qualify for the elite status in most races, am decently strong, haven't been injured in eons.

How old are you? Eons are a long time.

10/03/2012 09:15:59 AM · #28

Originally posted by jusjoshing:

In fact a few people in this forum with well below a 5 voting average and tons of votes cast which means 1,2,3,4 abuse! Staying at or above a 5 average would be a healthy voter IMO.

We should give everyone a ribbon too, we shouldn't be out to hurt anyones feelings, everyone takes great photos and we should vote accordingly.

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10/03/2012 09:18:35 AM · #29

Originally posted by chazoe:

How old are you? Eons are a long time.

32.

Yo_Spiff

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10/03/2012 09:22:23 AM · #30

Originally posted by chazoe:

Let's include bugs with green BG, buildings from ofd street angle views, wineglasses, waterdrops, B&W portraits of old people, B&W portraits of young people, B&W portraits of people, ........

The geezers still get high votes from me, especially if you tonemap the crap out of their wrinkles.

10/03/2012 09:31:16 AM · #31

Originally posted by Venser:

I think the quality of the other entries in a challenge should affect the score of a particular image. If I used your logic, very few images would get 8, 9, or 10. As it is, I make sure there's at least one in each category in every challenge.

im starting to succumb to this voting method as well. i have been voting images relative to their strength against the others in a particular challenge.

10/03/2012 09:38:40 AM · #32

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by klkitchens:
A 7 photo is a 7 photo no matter what the theme as long as it applies to the theme. Free Study is essentially "No Theme, Anything Goes (within editing rules). If a photo doesn't fit the theme, it should be penalized, but if it fits the theme, it should score the same no matter what.

I disagree. I think the quality of the other entries in a challenge should affect the score of a particular image. If I used your logic, very few images would get 8, 9, or 10. As it is, I make sure there's at least one in each category in every challenge.

I respect your right to be wrong. :)

10/03/2012 09:40:23 AM · #33

Originally posted by klkitchens:

I respect your right to be wrong. :)

Almost didn't see the smiley face. Would have changed the tone of this response quite dramatically.

10/03/2012 09:40:41 AM · #34

Originally posted by jusjoshing:

Staying at or above a 5 average would be a healthy voter IMO.

How do you figure? A 5.5 is a reflection of the quality of the ENTRIES, not the voter.

10/03/2012 09:44:23 AM · #35

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by klkitchens:
I respect your right to be wrong. :)

Almost didn't see the smiley face. Would have changed the tone of this response quite dramatically.

Well, I still think you're wrong, but I said it with a smile.

We shouldn't grade on a curve as that is woefully unfair to too many. Let each image stand on its own merits and the chips fall where they may for 1st, 2nd, 3rd ... nth.

We're not asked to award "places", but rate the photos. As each photographer didn't get to see the other works before entering, it's wrong to compare them and score them down. Just like in school, it would be wrong to score tests by only giving 1 A, 1 B, 1 C and everything else Ds and Fs.

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10/03/2012 09:49:46 AM · #36

Originally posted by klkitchens:

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by klkitchens:
I respect your right to be wrong. :)

Almost didn't see the smiley face. Would have changed the tone of this response quite dramatically.

Well, I still think you're wrong, but I said it with a smile.

We shouldn't grade on a curve as that is woefully unfair to too many. Let each image stand on its own merits and the chips fall where they may for 1st, 2nd, 3rd ... nth.

We're not asked to award "places", but rate the photos. As each photographer didn't get to see the other works before entering, it's wrong to compare them and score them down. Just like in school, it would be wrong to score tests by only giving 1 A, 1 B, 1 C and everything else Ds and Fs.

Schools and this site's challenges are measuring two different things. They're not even comparable.

bvy

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10/03/2012 10:00:47 AM · #37

Originally posted by paulsteven:

Originally posted by mike_311:
it is what it is, personally i cant stand that style of processing, but many do.

Without the processing, it was even more boring:)

If it was boring without the processing, it would have been (for me) an instant deletion.

P-A-U-L

Canon EOS R6

10/03/2012 10:02:44 AM · #38

Originally posted by bvy:

Originally posted by paulsteven:

Originally posted by mike_311:
it is what it is, personally i cant stand that style of processing, but many do.

Without the processing, it was even more boring:)

If it was boring without the processing, it would have been (for me) an instant deletion.

Hehe if I did that, I would not be entering too many contests:)

10/03/2012 10:05:52 AM · #39

I dont get why its "woefully wrong".

each challenge is an individual challenge and and ribbons are awarded based on the scores compared to the the others in any given challenge.

i think its wrong to be comparing scores across challenges and over time.

Message edited by author 2012-10-03 10:06:35.

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10/03/2012 10:07:23 AM · #40

Originally posted by klkitchens:

Everyone should read this. It doesn't matter how anyone votes because with a large enough voter population we just end up with a normal distribution via the central limit theorem.

I'm a biased voter according to the definitions

DJWoodward. Based on the score threads, there are definitely a fair number of "academics". It doesn't matter. Yeah, I know, this involves people understanding some math, but it all works out in the wash. So to deride someone for their method of voting is fallacious on your part, not mine.

NikonJeb

Nikon D850

10/03/2012 10:16:43 AM · #41

Originally posted by klkitchens:

We shouldn't grade on a curve as that is woefully unfair to too many. Let each image stand on its own merits and the chips fall where they may for 1st, 2nd, 3rd ... nth.

We're not asked to award "places", but rate the photos. As each photographer didn't get to see the other works before entering, it's wrong to compare them and score them down. Just like in school, it would be wrong to score tests by only giving 1 A, 1 B, 1 C and everything else Ds and Fs.

+1 Exactly! The images in the challenge should be judged on their own merits.....not against the other entries.

Originally posted by Venser:

Schools and this site's challenges are measuring two different things. They're not even comparable.

No, they're measuring the exact same thing......the offering on its own merits.

You get to vote however you want, and yes, it all comes out in the wash, but voting on an image based on the competition is flawed, and in the end it's not a fair and equitable method for the entries that are truly outstanding, or truly poor.

NikonJeb

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10/03/2012 10:18:28 AM · #42

Originally posted by pederlol:

I am sorry to be a jerk, but how on earth can this get a 6+ score? Can someone tell me, why they score it that high? It's just... I don't understand.

I could pick many other pictures, this only serves as an example.

I think it's a really nice image on multiple levels.

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10/03/2012 10:24:21 AM · #43

Originally posted by mike_311:

Ribbons are awarded based on the scores. CORRECT.

Scores are given based on the quality of the photos.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

10/03/2012 10:26:38 AM · #44

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by Venser:
Schools and this site's challenges are measuring two different things. They're not even comparable.

No, they're measuring the exact same thing......the offering on its own merits.

That's silly, Jeb. In a math test, to name one example, an answer is either right or wrong. When it comes to judging photographs, the criteria are inscrutable, highly personal, and not subject to any sort of objective analysis.

10/03/2012 10:28:30 AM · #45

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Schools measure your level of understanding in particular subjects. You either know Kreb's cycle, how to differentiate a given function, or who Snowball and Napolean are, or you don't? It's black and white. This site does no such thing.

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

You get to vote however you want, and yes, it all comes out in the wash, but voting on an image based on the competition is flawed, and in the end it's not a fair and equitable method for the entries that are truly outstanding, or truly poor.

Proof? The central limit theorem would say otherwise.

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10/03/2012 10:29:22 AM · #46

Originally posted by klkitchens:

Originally posted by mike_311:
I dont get why its "woefully wrong".

each challenge is an individual challenge and and ribbons are awarded based on the scores compared to the the others in any given challenge.

i think its wrong to be comparing scores across challenges and over time.

Ribbons are awarded based on the scores. CORRECT.

Scores are given based on the quality of the photos.

so if we award ribbons according the to other entries why can we vote based on their strength to the other entries.

if my daughter enters a coloring contest they will grade her relative to the other entrants, not how good last years artists were.

Message edited by author 2012-10-03 10:31:17.

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10/03/2012 10:38:21 AM · #47

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by klkitchens:

Originally posted by mike_311:
I dont get why its "woefully wrong".

each challenge is an individual challenge and and ribbons are awarded based on the scores compared to the the others in any given challenge.

i think its wrong to be comparing scores across challenges and over time.

Ribbons are awarded based on the scores. CORRECT.

Scores are given based on the quality of the photos.

so if we award ribbons according the to other entries why can we vote based on their strength to the other entries.

if my daughter enters a coloring contest they will grade her relative to the other entrants, not how good last years artists were.

Scoring based on the other entries would make it a really difficult task to score the free studies as would require viewing several hundred photos and then trying to rank them. I find it much easier to just score each photo on its own merit - if everyone does this it makes more sense comparing average score received values between contestants (I think!).

TrollMan

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10/03/2012 10:39:46 AM · #48

I cannot believe that DPC members' voting habits are still being discussed - and by the same people (give or take a few) as always. This thread will not change how people vote - guaranteed. Let the judges be the judges.