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04/25/2013 07:33:06 PM · #451 |
Originally posted by Basta:
Originally posted by Cory:
Listen to Ron Paul. Like his politics or not, he's got the right of this. |
even if I disagree with some of his views, I have to admit he looks like one of very few politicians "NOT FOR SALE"
I'm not sure how listening to him have anything to do with innocent till proven guilty Boston Marathon Bomber. or your personal fear that police will find your porn collection? |
The video I linked to was talking about the crimes that happened in Boston, not the ones on Monday, but rather the ones on Friday. |
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04/25/2013 07:33:52 PM · #452 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Cory:
Listen to Ron Paul. Like his politics or not, he's got the right of this. |
... and here is hoping that nothing of this nature ever happens where he lives and he is in dire need of some form of assistance.
Reminds me of a staunch Republican that was totally against same sex marriage until the day he found out his son was gay.
The situation in Boston was one of those "Damned if you do and Damned if you don't" scenarios for law enforcement.
I can just imagine the hue and cry that would have ensued had the authorities opted for a "business as usual" approach and another IED had exploded somewhere's else.
Nothing like Monday morning quarterbacking though and you know what they say... hindsight is always 20/20.
Ray |
Never trade liberty for security, as you'll end up with neither. Period.
Message edited by author 2013-04-25 19:34:07. |
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04/25/2013 07:37:48 PM · #453 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Never trade liberty for security, as you'll end up with neither. Period. |
... and you could end up quite dead too... that also is an issue of consideration.
Ray |
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04/25/2013 07:43:42 PM · #454 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Cory:
Listen to Ron Paul. Like his politics or not, he's got the right of this. |
... and here is hoping that nothing of this nature ever happens where he lives and he is in dire need of some form of assistance.
Reminds me of a staunch Republican that was totally against same sex marriage until the day he found out his son was gay.
The situation in Boston was one of those "Damned if you do and Damned if you don't" scenarios for law enforcement.
I can just imagine the hue and cry that would have ensued had the authorities opted for a "business as usual" approach and another IED had exploded somewhere's else.
Nothing like Monday morning quarterbacking though and you know what they say... hindsight is always 20/20.
Ray |
here you go  Cory, listen to aged well (read older than you) and wiser, Ray can see what is happening all the way from Canada...
Liberty? really?
a line from an old song ....."freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"....
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04/25/2013 08:39:04 PM · #455 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Cory:
Never trade liberty for security, as you'll end up with neither. Period. |
...and you could end up quite dead too... that also is an issue of consideration.
Ray |
Ray, are you saying we should rely on a government...be it federal or local to provide this "security"? It sounds like you are. They will almost always be a bit too late and a bullet short. There is personal responsibility you know. Unfortunately, too many are not prepared and have the "cradle to grave" mentality. I don't want the government deciding when I am ready for the grave...which they will if I am no longer able to add to their pockets and become a liability. |
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04/25/2013 08:55:25 PM · #456 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Cory:
Never trade liberty for security, as you'll end up with neither. Period. |
...and you could end up quite dead too... that also is an issue of consideration.
Ray |
Ray, are you saying we should rely on a government...be it federal or local to provide this "security"? It sounds like you are. They will almost always be a bit too late and a bullet short. There is personal responsibility you know. Unfortunately, too many are not prepared and have the "cradle to grave" mentality. I don't want the government deciding when I am ready for the grave...which they will if I am no longer able to add to their pockets and become a liability. |
I can't speak for Ray...but I do not see where you come up with that conclusion from his last two posts?
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04/25/2013 09:04:22 PM · #457 |
Not from his last two posts, but from years of reading his posts. Are you new here? Oh, not new but you are from Detroit i see.
Message edited by author 2013-04-25 21:05:34. |
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04/25/2013 09:15:26 PM · #458 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Not from his last two posts, but from years of reading his posts. Are you new here? Oh, not new but you are from Detroit i see. |
cant comment on years of his post, sometimes I am new around. I usually just look at the pretty pictures...
And Yes to you too, you are not the first one bringing up Detroit, Why is that? "...not new but from Detroit"? I live here, just like you live some place else.. |
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04/25/2013 11:09:34 PM · #459 |
Perhaps the point is that the 4th amendment may prove more important, and defensible, than the 2nd. After 911 we let terror help toss out freedom with the bathwater. Waiving rights and waving flags.
The 4th is built on principles of privacy and true freedom, the 2nd arguably speaks to militias and has "well regulated" right in the damn text, yet we cant get a decent background check law passed despite 90 percent of the population being in favor. |
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04/26/2013 12:39:28 PM · #460 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Perhaps the point is that the 4th amendment may prove more important, and defensible, than the 2nd. After 911 we let terror help toss out freedom with the bathwater. Waiving rights and waving flags.
The 4th is built on principles of privacy and true freedom, the 2nd arguably speaks to militias and has "well regulated" right in the damn text, yet we cant get a decent background check law passed despite 90 percent of the population being in favor. |
I guess that why DHS is stockpiling ammo, so no one else can buy any :) if you cant pass the law, just makes gun ineffective by removing ammo.
Message edited by author 2013-04-26 12:40:03. |
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04/26/2013 01:07:51 PM · #461 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Perhaps the point is that the 4th amendment may prove more important, and defensible, than the 2nd. After 911 we let terror help toss out freedom with the bathwater. Waiving rights and waving flags.
The 4th is built on principles of privacy and true freedom, the 2nd arguably speaks to militias and has "well regulated" right in the damn text, yet we cant get a decent background check law passed despite 90 percent of the population being in favor. |
I guess that why DHS is stockpiling ammo, so no one else can buy any :) if you cant pass the law, just makes gun ineffective by removing ammo. |
Meh. Still makes good club. |
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04/26/2013 02:03:59 PM · #462 |
| i think a baseball bat would work better. |
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04/27/2013 11:26:53 AM · #463 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Cory:
Never trade liberty for security, as you'll end up with neither. Period. |
...and you could end up quite dead too... that also is an issue of consideration.
Ray |
Ray, are you saying we should rely on a government...be it federal or local to provide this "security"? It sounds like you are. They will almost always be a bit too late and a bullet short. There is personal responsibility you know. Unfortunately, too many are not prepared and have the "cradle to grave" mentality. I don't want the government deciding when I am ready for the grave...which they will if I am no longer able to add to their pockets and become a liability. |
Not in the least... you might want to read up on some of the discussions I had regarding Threat & Risk Analysis, Target Hardening and some other tidbits that were incorporated in this and other similar discussions. I would bet that there are a lot more people that receive assistance from publicly paid organizations than say the gun toting home owner who may or not be properly trained in its use.
Been around and done that and truth be told, most supposed real mean and tough bastards are cowering in some corner when the shit hits the fan. I don't know anything about most people that post in this forum, but chances are that there aren't too many that had to confront violence on a regular basis in civilian life.... I know I have.
Have a great day... and do be vigilant. :O)
Ray
Message edited by author 2013-04-27 11:29:12. |
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04/27/2013 11:32:33 AM · #464 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by David Ey:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Cory:
Never trade liberty for security, as you'll end up with neither. Period. |
...and you could end up quite dead too... that also is an issue of consideration.
Ray |
Ray, are you saying we should rely on a government...be it federal or local to provide this "security"? It sounds like you are. They will almost always be a bit too late and a bullet short. There is personal responsibility you know. Unfortunately, too many are not prepared and have the "cradle to grave" mentality. I don't want the government deciding when I am ready for the grave...which they will if I am no longer able to add to their pockets and become a liability. |
Not in the least... you might want to read up on some of the discussions I had regarding Threat & Risk Analysis, Target Hardening and some other tidbits that were incorporated in this and other similar discussions. I would bet that there are a lot more people that receive assistance from publicly paid organizations than say the gun toting home owner who may or not be properly trained in its use.
Been around and done that and truth be told, most supposed real mean and tough bastards are cowering in some corner when the shit hits the fan. I don't know anything about most people that post in this forum, but chances are that there aren't too many that had to confront violence on a regular basis in civilian life.... I know I have.
Have a great day... and do be vigilant. :O)
Ray |
To be fair Ray - you might have a fairly significant data bias there - since you would never have been called out if the person took care of it themselves - once the problem is taken care of, there's no reason to file a report, unless you actually had to shoot the idiot of course.
Although, I do agree with you RE: Tough SOB's-- mostly they're just scared kiddos in big ol' rough looking bodies.
Message edited by author 2013-04-27 11:33:33. |
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05/01/2013 12:04:30 PM · #465 |
They just arrested 3 more suspects
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