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05/07/2013 11:46:55 PM · #1 |
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05/08/2013 07:39:08 AM · #2 |
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05/08/2013 08:26:34 AM · #3 |
Yeah old news...but still tragic. With children that young the weapon(s) should have been secured
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05/08/2013 01:07:26 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Yeah old news...but still tragic. With children that young the weapon(s) should have been secured |
secured? it was bought for and intended to be used by the 5yr old! how about i dont know, not buy a 5 yr old a rifle, or better yet how about we regulate it so the gun manufacturers cant market to 5yr old.
people are stupid, how about not letting them act on their own stupidity.
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05/08/2013 01:11:33 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Mike:
people are stupid, how about not letting them act on their own stupidity. |
I don't know ... interfering with the evolutionary process can have its own negative consequences ... |
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05/08/2013 01:39:28 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Mike:
people are stupid, how about not letting them act on their own stupidity. |
I don't know ... interfering with the evolutionary process can have its own negative consequences ... |
I see your point, and I know it's tongue-in-cheek -- but it wasn't the stupid that we lost in this situation.
That's the problem. Survival of the fittest doesn't really work anymore. It's not the drunks that die in the car crashes, it's the other drivers. It's not the people who buy the guns for the 5 year olds and then leave them unsupervised, it's the two year olds. We're no longer evolving, we're devolving because the idiots survive better than the rest.
Message edited by author 2013-05-08 13:40:10.
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05/08/2013 01:46:43 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Yeah old news...but still tragic. With children that young the weapon(s) should have been secured |
secured? it was bought for and intended to be used by the 5yr old! how about i dont know, not buy a 5 yr old a rifle, or better yet how about we regulate it so the gun manufacturers cant market to 5yr old.
people are stupid, how about not letting them act on their own stupidity. |
We shouldn't be berating this family for buying a 5yr old a gun. That would be an error.
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If I recall correctly it was bought for his 4th birthday. Astonishing,
Message edited by author 2013-05-08 13:46:54. |
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05/08/2013 01:48:15 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Yeah old news...but still tragic. With children that young the weapon(s) should have been secured |
secured? it was bought for and intended to be used by the 5yr old! how about i dont know, not buy a 5 yr old a rifle, or better yet how about we regulate it so the gun manufacturers cant market to 5yr old.
people are stupid, how about not letting them act on their own stupidity. |
No no no.....The rifle was purchased for the 5 year old. I agree. However, the 5 year old should have only had access to the rifle while being closely monitored by an adult. During the time the adult would be mmonitoring he would also be teaching safety and use of the firearm with the child. Other than that the child should not have had access
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05/08/2013 02:04:20 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Yeah old news...but still tragic. With children that young the weapon(s) should have been secured |
secured? it was bought for and intended to be used by the 5yr old! how about i dont know, not buy a 5 yr old a rifle, or better yet how about we regulate it so the gun manufacturers cant market to 5yr old.
people are stupid, how about not letting them act on their own stupidity. |
No no no.....The rifle was purchased for the 5 year old. I agree. However, the 5 year old should have only had access to the rifle while being closely monitored by an adult. During the time the adult would be mmonitoring he would also be teaching safety and use of the firearm with the child. Other than that the child should not have had access |
i understand we come from different backgrounds, but i cant fathom any scenario where its a good decision to allow a five yr old to handle a firearm even under the closest possible supervision. age 16? ok, 12? eh, maybe, 5? 4??? never, never never.
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05/08/2013 03:50:44 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Yeah old news...but still tragic. With children that young the weapon(s) should have been secured |
secured? it was bought for and intended to be used by the 5yr old! how about i dont know, not buy a 5 yr old a rifle, or better yet how about we regulate it so the gun manufacturers cant market to 5yr old.
people are stupid, how about not letting them act on their own stupidity. |
No no no.....The rifle was purchased for the 5 year old. I agree. However, the 5 year old should have only had access to the rifle while being closely monitored by an adult. During the time the adult would be mmonitoring he would also be teaching safety and use of the firearm with the child. Other than that the child should not have had access |
i understand we come from different backgrounds, but i cant fathom any scenario where its a good decision to allow a five yr old to handle a firearm even under the closest possible supervision. age 16? ok, 12? eh, maybe, 5? 4??? never, never never. |
Arguably, in the world of kids growing up around guns, say for example in hill country with a family that hunts for subsistence, or in a very rural ranching family, 5's about the right age to start teaching them to respect weapons and use them properly. Lessons hammered in at such a young age tend to stick very well. |
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05/08/2013 04:00:32 PM · #11 |
Bear....that was the point I was trying to make...The younger they start learning the better off everybody will be
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05/08/2013 04:16:59 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Bear....that was the point I was trying to make...The younger they start learning the better off everybody will be |
if only they had good teachers. its once thing if you live off the land, suburban America is an entirely different way of life.
Message edited by author 2013-05-08 16:18:10. |
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05/08/2013 04:26:16 PM · #13 |
I am from a city...My family does not grow crops...(my uncle does have a farm) I have never had to live off the land. But I was introduced to weapons when I was 5 or 6. I was always supervised while being taught about the weapon.
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05/08/2013 04:49:09 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Yeah old news...but still tragic. With children that young the weapon(s) should have been secured |
secured? it was bought for and intended to be used by the 5yr old! how about i dont know, not buy a 5 yr old a rifle, or better yet how about we regulate it so the gun manufacturers cant market to 5yr old.
people are stupid, how about not letting them act on their own stupidity. |
No no no.....The rifle was purchased for the 5 year old. I agree. However, the 5 year old should have only had access to the rifle while being closely monitored by an adult. During the time the adult would be mmonitoring he would also be teaching safety and use of the firearm with the child. Other than that the child should not have had access |
i understand we come from different backgrounds, but i cant fathom any scenario where its a good decision to allow a five yr old to handle a firearm even under the closest possible supervision. age 16? ok, 12? eh, maybe, 5? 4??? never, never never. |
Arguably, in the world of kids growing up around guns, say for example in hill country with a family that hunts for subsistence, or in a very rural ranching family, 5's about the right age to start teaching them to respect weapons and use them properly. Lessons hammered in at such a young age tend to stick very well. |
He learned a very hard lesson in this case.
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05/08/2013 05:37:08 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Arguably, in the world of kids growing up around guns, say for example in hill country with a family that hunts for subsistence, or in a very rural ranching family, 5's about the right age to start teaching them to respect weapons and use them properly. Lessons hammered in at such a young age tend to stick very well. |
While I can understand the basic premise of your argument, I cannot say that I agree with it. I may have mentioned earlier that my father was a trapper and that we never had store bought meat in our home until such time as I got a job in a buther's shop.
My father was very conscious of the damage that could be caused by firearms and as such my initial tasks consisted of fishing, setting traps, skinning critters and other chores that did not involve the handling of a loaded firearm until I reached I believe 10 or 12 years of age. He did teach me safety procedures, proper storage, and not to shoot unless I could readily identify what I was shooting at, and ensuring that there was nothing in the background that I did not want to be shot.
Instead of teaching 4 and 5 year olds how to shoot, perhaps languages and math should be at the forefront of our collective learning ambitions. :O)
Ray
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05/08/2013 08:05:29 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Arguably, in the world of kids growing up around guns, say for example in hill country with a family that hunts for subsistence, or in a very rural ranching family, 5's about the right age to start teaching them to respect weapons and use them properly. Lessons hammered in at such a young age tend to stick very well. |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
While I can understand the basic premise of your argument, I cannot say that I agree with it. I may have mentioned earlier that my father was a trapper and that we never had store bought meat in our home until such time as I got a job in a buther's shop.
My father was very conscious of the damage that could be caused by firearms and as such my initial tasks consisted of fishing, setting traps, skinning critters and other chores that did not involve the handling of a loaded firearm until I reached I believe 10 or 12 years of age. He did teach me safety procedures, proper storage, and not to shoot unless I could readily identify what I was shooting at, and ensuring that there was nothing in the background that I did not want to be shot.
Instead of teaching 4 and 5 year olds how to shoot, perhaps languages and math should be at the forefront of our collective learning ambitions. :O)
Ray |
You don't have to have guns around children at an early age to teach them that they can be dangerous.
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05/08/2013 08:19:37 PM · #17 |
"The rifle had been given to the boy last year and was kept in the corner of a room. The parents didn't realise a shell had been left in it."
So much wrong in that statement. |
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05/08/2013 09:08:18 PM · #18 |
i probably fall on the "control" side of this issue, however after reading this today it has me rethinking my position. seems americans are pretty far behind on several levels.
great read, and not necessarily about guns, but i believe it applies
americans have it backwards |
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05/08/2013 10:02:35 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by FourPointX:
i probably fall on the "control" side of this issue, however after reading this today it has me rethinking my position. seems americans are pretty far behind on several levels.
great read, and not necessarily about guns, but i believe it applies
americans have it backwards |
i agree with this article, we learn though mistakes, you cut your finger, you burn yourself, you fall, humans need to learn these skills and how to fail in order to succeed, but when you make a mistake with a gun, the results can be less than ideal, usually for someone other than yourself.
Message edited by author 2013-05-08 22:03:00. |
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05/09/2013 01:27:10 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by Mike:
.......we learn though mistakes....... |
like this |
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05/09/2013 07:17:56 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by MichaelC:
Originally posted by Mike:
.......we learn though mistakes....... |
like this |
coupled with:
Originally posted by Mike:
but when you make a mistake with a gun, the results can be less than ideal, usually for someone other than yourself. |
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