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 07/16/2013 08:53:31 AM · #176
"it's useful life is over" is maybe an understatement, but clearly the case. Thank you.

07/16/2013 08:59:04 AM · #177
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Far be it from me to be the voice of reason, but looking at it from the outside, perhaps this thread has served its purpose, and it's useful life is over.

Firstly, it could be reasonably asserted that an outsider viewing this thread might feel there is a lack of sensitivity to many issues, including race, rising to the level of being off-putting.

It also seems there is an extra level of personal attacks and "shouting down" of individuals. I realize this is the "rant" section, but the "if you can't take the heat, ignore us, turn us off or in the alternative fuck off, I have the right to do it" posturing appears to have gone too far.

People like to discuss things, but time and time again it turns one sided, aggressive, defensive, condescending and insulting. Perhaps it is the nature of the internet where manners and decorum seem not to matter. I get carried away as much as anyone, and thankfully there are still some wise, calming individuals around here. But I have often wondered, and many others have asked this over and over, but how long do we need to tolerate these entities? Perhaps until most no longer care to participate or be associated any longer. That would be a shame.


Did you just discover the internet?

07/16/2013 09:04:56 AM · #178
I would go even further and say that these ranting debates actually are one of the reasons for the declining activity here, people seldom change their minds about such strong issues and all it does it create a dividing sence of left and right that has no place being on a site like this.

There are as many truths as men, why limit ourselves to our own.
 07/16/2013 09:10:34 AM · #179
Originally posted by jagar:
I would go even further and say that these ranting debates actually are one of the reasons for the declining activity here, people seldom change their minds about such strong issues and all it does it create a dividing sence of left and right that has no place being on a site like this.

There are as many truths as men, why limit ourselves to our own.


If someone can't handle someone else's opinion, they need to stay out of rant. It is as easy as that.
 07/16/2013 09:18:02 AM · #180
Originally posted by jagar:
I would go even further and say that these ranting debates actually are one of the reasons for the declining activity here, people seldom change their minds about such strong issues and all it does it create a dividing sence of left and right that has no place being on a site like this.

There are as many truths as men, why limit ourselves to our own.


I agree entirely. I'll keep on with challenges when I can but this has really put me off this site.
 07/16/2013 09:20:48 AM · #181
While you may miss some actual constructive discussions, you can turn off Rant in your preferences. It even removes all the threads from your personal view of the front page. I think it's time to do that again, myself!
 07/16/2013 09:33:39 AM · #182
Originally posted by Melethia:
While you may miss some actual constructive discussions, you can turn off Rant in your preferences. It even removes all the threads from your personal view of the front page. I think it's time to do that again, myself!


Constructive discussions? In Rant? Surely you jest.

They may start constructive elsewhere, as this one did, but by the time they move to rant any constructive value they had is long since over and you get Cory and jagar insulting each other. (or some other diametrically opposed pair).

'Tis simply the way of the interwebz.

Message edited by author 2013-07-16 09:40:59.
 07/16/2013 09:42:54 AM · #183
Originally posted by jagar:
I would go even further and say that these ranting debates actually are one of the reasons for the declining activity here


the discussion boards are really the only thing keeping me here. my declining activity in the challenges has nothing to do with the discussion boards.
 07/16/2013 10:10:58 AM · #184
to get the discussion back on track:

here is a jurors quote:

“Zimmerman is a man whose heart was in the right place but just got displaced with vandalism in the neighborhoods and wanting to catch these people so badly that he went above and beyond what he really should have done," the juror said. "I think he was a little negligible [sic] in doing what he did but his heart was in the right place and it just went terribly wrong.”

Asked by Cooper if she feels that Zimmerman is guilty of anything, she replied: "I think he's guilty of not using good judgment. When he was in the car and he called 911, he shouldn't have gotten out of that car. But the 911 operator also, when he was talking to him, kind of egged him on. I don't know if it's their policy to tell them what to do, not to get out of the car, to stay in their car. But I think he should have said 'Stay in your car,' not 'Can you see where he's gone.'"

I find that statement telling in that i feel it encompasses the larger issue at play here, a normal peace loving society is getting fed up with certain groups (note im not singling out a particular race, whites are guilty as well) acting like a bunch of animals, we cant understand why these groups cant live peacefully.

The big issue here is poverty, not race. Impoverished individuals cause 95% (rhetorical number) of the problems in this world, not just in America. The truth is when you have a job, a family, and reason to live and strive to succeed, you dont have time to fight and cause problems. On the whole, the middle easterners live in poverty and cause problems to the rest of the world, the same with Latinos in Mexico and south America and blacks in America and africa. The whole race isn't the problem, only those who live in poverty, whites are guilty as well but the numbers are much fewer that the race doesn't get branded as such, however whites do get subdivided into their own stereotypical classes (think mafia and Italians).

My opinion, in this country order to move forward we need to stop with the particular groups and programs such as the NAACP and affirmative action and other programs that afford blacks, in particular, an advantage. These programs and groups only continue to divide this country, by resentment from whites and excuses from blacks, they continue to allow and encourage the race card to be played.

Instead we ought to have programs that give equal opportunity based on poverty level or income levels and wealth instead.

get rid of poverty and you get rid of racial tensions.

You are never going to get rid of racism completely, humans will always migrate to and prefer those that look like themselves, but if you give people something else to do and worry about, a purpose in life, they may tend to forget and overlook their cultural and ethnic differences.

07/16/2013 10:29:03 AM · #185
Mike...I actually agree with you on something.

I do believe that poverty is the root of all evil. The only problem (and this is all around here) you have to want to succeed. You have to want to get off welfare and food stamps.There are families here that have not had jobs for 4 generations. These people would rather sit on the front porch and get handouts.

I also agree that the NAACP is not part of the solution but is very much a part of the problem.
 07/16/2013 12:09:51 PM · #186
Originally posted by jagar:
I would go even further and say that these ranting debates actually are one of the reasons for the declining activity here, people seldom change their minds about such strong issues and all it does it create a dividing sence of left and right that has no place being on a site like this.

There are as many truths as men, why limit ourselves to our own.


I'm the reason for the decline of DPC am I?

I am the reason this conversation was so divided? Probably had nothing to do with the fact the entire nation is divided over it?

My goal in this thread was very simple - not allow bullshit 'facts' to stand as though they are true. People repeat shit like it's fact all the time, and especially in this case, it was not.

Let's be clear here, I've been engaged in the discussion, perhaps more than you or aliqui would prefer. Really though, I didn't force you into this thread, and I especially didn't force you here multiple times.

Your contribution to the conversation has consisted of snide remarks and trolling provocation. That's so much more helpful to DPC, and makes it so much nicer here when you're personally attacking people.

Honestly, I have no respect for you jagar, none, at least outside of your photography. Do me a favor and don't mention my name ever again.

Message edited by author 2013-07-16 12:20:21.
 07/16/2013 12:21:02 PM · #187
When someone as thoughtful and reserved as jagar is motivated to confront, maybe it's time to reflect rather than retaliate.

Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by jagar:
I would go even further and say that these ranting debates actually are one of the reasons for the declining activity here, people seldom change their minds about such strong issues and all it does it create a dividing sence of left and right that has no place being on a site like this.

There are as many truths as men, why limit ourselves to our own.


I'm the reason for the decline of DPC am I?

Let's be clear here, I've been engaged in the discussion, perhaps more than you or aliqui would prefer. Really though, I didn't force you into this thread, and I especially didn't force you here multiple times.

Your contribution to the conversation has consisted of snide remarks and trolling provocation. That's so much more helpful to DPC, and makes it so much nicer here when you're personally attacking people.

Honestly, I think you're just a sad little whiney bitch who can't stand the heat. Cheers dickwad, do me a favor and don't mention my name EVER again.
07/16/2013 12:29:03 PM · #188
or maybe its time to just walk away and not react like Martin did.

Message edited by author 2013-07-16 12:29:09.
 07/16/2013 12:33:58 PM · #189
oh good too media stereotypes at play.

//www.drudgereport.com/flashrj.htm

at what point do we stop and realize our biases are unfounded and perpetuated by the media? and at what time do we hold them accountable?

07/16/2013 12:39:01 PM · #190
Cory, Jagar never singled you out. He said that, in HIS opinion, these divisive rant threads are contributing to the decline in DPC activity. You may not agree with him (you obviously don't), but calling him out like that is stunningly over-the-top.
 07/16/2013 12:47:43 PM · #191
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Cory, Jagar never singled you out. He said that, in HIS opinion, these divisive rant threads are contributing to the decline in DPC activity. You may not agree with him (you obviously don't), but calling him out like that is stunningly over-the-top.


In direct response to me:

"You constantly voicing your strong opinions on DPC is certainly no crime, it does kill it for me though, and I'm not alone."

..

Dunno Robert, maybe I'm wrong, but I didn't read that the same way you did. At all. Seemed pretty personal to me, and completely unnecessary. And yes, it pissed me off, of course, it's not the first time he's gone after me, but this one was my limit.

Maybe I'm so angry because I do post too much, and argue too hard. But the son of a bitch, if he was so reserved and thoughtful, might have considered sending me a PM instead of calling me out in the forums... His mistake.
 07/16/2013 12:48:19 PM · #192
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Tayvon Martin doesn't sound so innocent with things like his cell phone and his past fighting...


Now Adam -- you're going to call a 17 yr old male "not innocent" as in, he deserved to be fatally shot because he said some stuff in text message? You've never had bravado as a teen or young man? You've never talked a good game? You've never said you were going to do some bad stuff but never actually did it? Never? Judge all parties in this by their actions, not by their text messages or their "history".
 07/16/2013 12:50:46 PM · #193
Originally posted by frisca:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Tayvon Martin doesn't sound so innocent with things like his cell phone and his past fighting...


Now Adam -- you're going to call a 17 yr old male "not innocent" as in, he deserved to be fatally shot because he said some stuff in text message?

Wow, quite a leap there, Frisca.
 07/16/2013 04:57:30 PM · #194
due to popular demand, this thread is being locked for getting personal and going wildly off topic.

Anyone who wishes to continue this discussion can do so in a new thread.
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