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08/02/2013 12:00:00 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I want ttl now, |
Why?
I'm not saying that you shouldn't go this way, I'm just curious what your reasons are.
I've never found a need for TTL, other than to marvel at the ability of my system to do that. :) |
Just went to a Joe McNally flash class, and started playing with the ttl again (for all of 10 minutes). I love the fact that I can do it from my camera. I love the fact that when I change the aperture, I'm not having to reset my flash, if I was just going for adjusting the background dof instead of trying to just affect the dof. I like that I don't have to go around and change all my flashes manually. I like that I can override and switch to manual and know what I'm getting if the ttl isn't doing what I wanted.
I just tried playing with it for the first time in about a year, did 5 shots, mostly just zoomed in or out, and got better lighting than I ever have when playing with manual. But I know more what I'm doing now, because of fighting with manual -- so I'm excited to try it out.
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08/02/2013 12:07:48 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I want ttl now, |
Why?
I'm not saying that you shouldn't go this way, I'm just curious what your reasons are.
I've never found a need for TTL, other than to marvel at the ability of my system to do that. :) |
Just went to a Joe McNally flash class, and started playing with the ttl again (for all of 10 minutes). I love the fact that I can do it from my camera. I love the fact that when I change the aperture, I'm not having to reset my flash, if I was just going for adjusting the background dof instead of trying to just affect the dof. I like that I don't have to go around and change all my flashes manually. I like that I can override and switch to manual and know what I'm getting if the ttl isn't doing what I wanted.
I just tried playing with it for the first time in about a year, did 5 shots, mostly just zoomed in or out, and got better lighting than I ever have when playing with manual. But I know more what I'm doing now, because of fighting with manual -- so I'm excited to try it out. |
I want to hear your thoughts after six months. I do wonder if I'd like a nicer set of triggers and a couple more TTL flashes.... I *think* I'm happy with what I've got, but your story makes me wonder. :) |
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08/02/2013 12:13:07 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I want ttl now, |
Why?
I'm not saying that you shouldn't go this way, I'm just curious what your reasons are.
I've never found a need for TTL, other than to marvel at the ability of my system to do that. :) |
Just went to a Joe McNally flash class, and started playing with the ttl again (for all of 10 minutes). I love the fact that I can do it from my camera. I love the fact that when I change the aperture, I'm not having to reset my flash, if I was just going for adjusting the background dof instead of trying to just affect the dof. I like that I don't have to go around and change all my flashes manually. I like that I can override and switch to manual and know what I'm getting if the ttl isn't doing what I wanted.
I just tried playing with it for the first time in about a year, did 5 shots, mostly just zoomed in or out, and got better lighting than I ever have when playing with manual. But I know more what I'm doing now, because of fighting with manual -- so I'm excited to try it out. |
I want to hear your thoughts after six months. I do wonder if I'd like a nicer set of triggers and a couple more TTL flashes.... I *think* I'm happy with what I've got, but your story makes me wonder. :) |
I was impressed and really excited at the McNally class. He shot for 5 hours, and it only messed up a couple of times, and it was easy to switch or adjust at that point. I have the Yongnuo ttl triggers sitting in my cart on amazon. Just getting up the guts to spend the money.
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08/02/2013 07:01:52 PM · #29 |
I was having the same problem so I went on a testing spree at shops (and impulsively bought one o_0) Anyone have any opinion on phottix softboxes. The foldable one was so so convenient looking for portability I couldn't resist.
Softboxes are turning out to be a bit more difficult than I expected (pre set studios spoiled me into believing it was easier) so I'm glad I got something cheapy to trial and error my way through. |
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08/02/2013 07:26:31 PM · #30 |
I did the McNally class last fall, I thought it was great and I was quite surprised at the fact that he uses speedlites and ttl for pretty much everything he does. He rarely uses radio triggers either, but I found I quickly ran into the limitations of my on camera control (line of sight and all). Four radio triggers were a lot cheaper than using another 580EX II just to be a master.
Wendy, I am embarrassed to say that I haven't actually used my radio triggers yet, other than a quick test to make sure that they work. I have used (as I am sure you have) the on camera control for triggering my speedlites, and I just wanted something that would extend the same capability. That is, in camera control, ttl, and groups and the bonus is something I can't do with the pop up flash, hypersync. Of course the main time I would want to use that is outdoors in sunlight, where my an IR solution is not likely to work anyway. |
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08/02/2013 07:31:12 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I want ttl now, |
Why?
I'm not saying that you shouldn't go this way, I'm just curious what your reasons are.
I've never found a need for TTL, other than to marvel at the ability of my system to do that. :) |
Just went to a Joe McNally flash class, and started playing with the ttl again (for all of 10 minutes). I love the fact that I can do it from my camera. I love the fact that when I change the aperture, I'm not having to reset my flash, if I was just going for adjusting the background dof instead of trying to just affect the dof. I like that I don't have to go around and change all my flashes manually. I like that I can override and switch to manual and know what I'm getting if the ttl isn't doing what I wanted.
I just tried playing with it for the first time in about a year, did 5 shots, mostly just zoomed in or out, and got better lighting than I ever have when playing with manual. But I know more what I'm doing now, because of fighting with manual -- so I'm excited to try it out. |
I want to hear your thoughts after six months. I do wonder if I'd like a nicer set of triggers and a couple more TTL flashes.... I *think* I'm happy with what I've got, but your story makes me wonder. :) |
Honestly, I can't imagine why you would not want TTL as an option. It makes things much easier to control in changing conditions, and if the conditions are not changing, then neither should the metering for TTL. Of course, if TTL is not working for a particular situation, you can always switch to manual anyway. The only reason I could see for not having it is the cost, which is pretty much disappearing with the cheap Chinese triggers (and flashes).
I can't imagine why someone would choose to walk around to adjust all their flashes instead of simply making the adjustments in camera.
That being said, I am light years from making photography a profession or claim to have extensive knowledge of lighting, so take my musings with a grain of salt ;-)
Message edited by author 2013-08-02 19:34:12. |
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08/02/2013 07:52:36 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by rcollier:
Honestly, I can't imagine why you would not want TTL as an option. It makes things much easier to control in changing conditions, and if the conditions are not changing, then neither should the metering for TTL. Of course, if TTL is not working for a particular situation, you can always switch to manual anyway. The only reason I could see for not having it is the cost, which is pretty much disappearing with the cheap Chinese triggers (and flashes).
I can't imagine why someone would choose to walk around to adjust all their flashes instead of simply making the adjustments in camera.
That being said, I am light years from making photography a profession or claim to have extensive knowledge of lighting, so take my musings with a grain of salt ;-) |
As an option? I love having TTL, it makes me feel fuzzy and warm.
In practice? I never use it because I'm usually running multiple lights on radios, and I tend to build a scene one light at a time in an additive fashion, so I don't really ever want the lights to change intensity, because that would botch my setup.
For event shooting, I use Aperture priority mode, so I have my flash locked to the aperture, giving consistent exposure - and I just let the shutter do what it needs to do to expose ambient light (while staying under my max sync speed of course)..
Really, other than fast paced stuff like a wedding, I'm not sure I can see why I'd want to use TTL... But, again, I'm always listening for great reasons... As I understand it, TTL is grand if you intend on running a single flash, and want to use it in a highly variable way, I can see the use for that, I just never shoot that way it seems. |
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08/02/2013 08:06:31 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by rcollier:
Honestly, I can't imagine why you would not want TTL as an option. It makes things much easier to control in changing conditions, and if the conditions are not changing, then neither should the metering for TTL. Of course, if TTL is not working for a particular situation, you can always switch to manual anyway. The only reason I could see for not having it is the cost, which is pretty much disappearing with the cheap Chinese triggers (and flashes).
I can't imagine why someone would choose to walk around to adjust all their flashes instead of simply making the adjustments in camera.
That being said, I am light years from making photography a profession or claim to have extensive knowledge of lighting, so take my musings with a grain of salt ;-) |
As an option? I love having TTL, it makes me feel fuzzy and warm.
In practice? I never use it because I'm usually running multiple lights on radios, and I tend to build a scene one light at a time in an additive fashion, so I don't really ever want the lights to change intensity, because that would botch my setup.
For event shooting, I use Aperture priority mode, so I have my flash locked to the aperture, giving consistent exposure - and I just let the shutter do what it needs to do to expose ambient light (while staying under my max sync speed of course)..
Really, other than fast paced stuff like a wedding, I'm not sure I can see why I'd want to use TTL... But, again, I'm always listening for great reasons... As I understand it, TTL is grand if you intend on running a single flash, and want to use it in a highly variable way, I can see the use for that, I just never shoot that way it seems. |
That's what I didn't particularly understand. He was adding the lights one at a time, and it didn't seem to be changing the intensity of the lights he already had placed. Is this because he put them in different flash groups? I wouldn't think so -- but he did build one at a time.
I have a lot to learn. :) |
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08/04/2013 03:27:08 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by rcollier:
Honestly, I can't imagine why you would not want TTL as an option. It makes things much easier to control in changing conditions, and if the conditions are not changing, then neither should the metering for TTL. Of course, if TTL is not working for a particular situation, you can always switch to manual anyway. The only reason I could see for not having it is the cost, which is pretty much disappearing with the cheap Chinese triggers (and flashes).
I can't imagine why someone would choose to walk around to adjust all their flashes instead of simply making the adjustments in camera.
That being said, I am light years from making photography a profession or claim to have extensive knowledge of lighting, so take my musings with a grain of salt ;-) |
As an option? I love having TTL, it makes me feel fuzzy and warm.
In practice? I never use it because I'm usually running multiple lights on radios, and I tend to build a scene one light at a time in an additive fashion, so I don't really ever want the lights to change intensity, because that would botch my setup.
For event shooting, I use Aperture priority mode, so I have my flash locked to the aperture, giving consistent exposure - and I just let the shutter do what it needs to do to expose ambient light (while staying under my max sync speed of course)..
Really, other than fast paced stuff like a wedding, I'm not sure I can see why I'd want to use TTL... But, again, I'm always listening for great reasons... As I understand it, TTL is grand if you intend on running a single flash, and want to use it in a highly variable way, I can see the use for that, I just never shoot that way it seems. |
That's what I didn't particularly understand. He was adding the lights one at a time, and it didn't seem to be changing the intensity of the lights he already had placed. Is this because he put them in different flash groups? I wouldn't think so -- but he did build one at a time.
I have a lot to learn. :) |
Yes (in separate groups, for your key, fill, etc), and then you dial in each group using your exposure comp in the flash controls on your commander. With Nikon, at least, you can dial in each group at +/- 3 stops from baseline TTL exposure, and they'll all play nicely as you add them in. One thing that you can have issues with is if you're aiming for really high contrast scenes, because you can't dial them up or down enough to accomplish that always. I'm familiar with how he teaches things. You might also be interested in his book Sketching Light, as it has lots of good info and is really a steal for the amount of content it has.
Message edited by author 2013-08-04 03:30:43. |
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