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 10/03/2004 03:25:11 PM · #1
Hey Everyone!
I messed up & forgot to change the iso b4 taking shots & now all my shots are stupid grainy. Any tips on removing it would be GREATLY appreciated.
A reshoot at this point would be hard so any tips besides reshooting please.
thanks in advance!
 10/03/2004 03:27:25 PM · #2
Have you tried using Neat Image.
 10/03/2004 03:27:57 PM · #3
I use neat image.

So far I am very pleased with the results.

//www.neatimage.com
 10/03/2004 03:28:33 PM · #4
Ah crap Racer beat me to the draw by 32 sec :D

Message edited by author 2004-10-03 15:29:00.
 10/03/2004 03:31:56 PM · #5
Ya but you posted the link for her.
 10/03/2004 03:33:42 PM · #6
yep I use neat image. The iso was very high unfortunately, something like 1600. Do you think that NI will remove it all? Any function settings for NI that you cool cats suggest? I.e. remove all noise, etc...
 10/03/2004 03:58:26 PM · #7
I've only been using it a little while, so not really a master of it yet. Try it on a duplicate of the original,at least that way if it does'nt work you still have the original to work with. How grainy are they?
 10/03/2004 04:00:51 PM · #8
I recently downloaded neat image after shooting an entire wedding at 800 iso...YIKES! I used it on its auto function and it certainly helped enough to save my butt. I would be interested in a better way to use it as well. Anyt tips out there?
 10/03/2004 04:08:54 PM · #9
I am a novice my self and have only been using the auto settings which has worked fine for my purposes thus far.

I am sure there must be some NI gurus out there though.
 10/03/2004 04:14:35 PM · #10
The biggest tip I can give is to be VERY gentle with the settings. Too heavy an application of NeatImage can make an image look plasticky. In my opinion, it's better to leave a little grain then end up with plastic skin.

-Terry
 10/03/2004 04:16:41 PM · #11
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
The biggest tip I can give is to be VERY gentle with the settings. Too heavy an application of Neat Image can make an image look plasticky. In my opinion, it's better to leave a little grain then end up with plastic skin.

-Terry


Understatement of the year ;D

Use it wisely and don't get carried away!
10/03/2004 04:25:01 PM · #12
Use it on a separate layer and then blend with either lighten or darken, whichever area shows the most noise. Use a copy of the original image as the base. That way you can fade it out so it doesn't look so evident. Or even try using one layer for lighten and another for darken and adjust each one to suit the picture.
 10/03/2004 04:36:22 PM · #13
Originally posted by pcody:
Use it on a separate layer and then blend with either lighten or darken, whichever area shows the most noise. Use a copy of the original image as the base. That way you can fade it out so it doesn't look so evident. Or even try using one layer for lighten and another for darken and adjust each one to suit the picture.


Good idea. I realy dont like the plastic smoothness that neat image creates and found myself adding a bit of grain to the images...or a lot of sharpening. Photoshop grain in its various forms is still much better than high iso grain.
 10/03/2004 04:47:45 PM · #14
I use neat image.
I recently downloaded another program called Noise Ninja.
I haven't used it to date.
Some say it is superior to neat image...anybody??
10/03/2004 05:09:27 PM · #15
Originally posted by bongo:
I use neat image.
I recently downloaded another program called Noise Ninja.
I haven't used it to date.
Some say it is superior to neat image...anybody??


I use Noise Ninja and it is Fantastic, you can build custom noise profiles for it and it works like a charm.
 10/03/2004 05:26:11 PM · #16
Originally posted by Rooster:
yep I use neat image. The iso was very high unfortunately, something like 1600. Do you think that NI will remove it all? Any function settings for NI that you cool cats suggest? I.e. remove all noise, etc...


Neat Image has profiles for the Digital Rebel at different ISO Levels, you can download them at their site (Here's the link)
 10/03/2004 05:45:31 PM · #17
I've been using NI for a little while. I've noticed I get better results when I apply it to a large image and resize afterwards. When I apply NI to a smaller image, I get more of the plastic feel. Generally my workflow is to do all my adjustments and editing. Then apply NI. Then resize to target size usually with Save for Web. And finally add a tiny bit of Unsharp mask.

Also NI has sliders so you can back off on the noise reduction. Worth playing with.
 10/03/2004 05:49:44 PM · #18
Hey Jonpink...are you always this boring mate!! or is this arrogance a culture thing????? Your bleeding one two three corrective and void of any emotion comments drive me mad..Are you a Virgo or something???
 10/03/2004 05:54:04 PM · #19
Originally posted by yaksos:
Hey Jonpink...are you always this boring mate!! or is this arrogance a culture thing????? Your bleeding one two three corrective and void of any emotion comments drive me mad..Are you a Virgo or something???


What the...?
 10/03/2004 05:54:52 PM · #20
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by yaksos:
Hey Jonpink...are you always this boring mate!! or is this arrogance a culture thing????? Your bleeding one two three corrective and void of any emotion comments drive me mad..Are you a Virgo or something???

What the...?

What Ben said..
 10/03/2004 05:56:10 PM · #21
NeatImage only makes your images look plasticky if you sample an area with detail. If you use your camera's profile, or sample a completely flat area, you should only remove noise.
 10/03/2004 05:57:10 PM · #22
I haven't used neat image since someone posted the link to noiseware. I use that and light edge preserving smooth in psp. But unless there is a lot of noise I leave it in for my personal pictures, istock doesn't allow noise so I have to use it now and then for the pictures I upload there.
 10/03/2004 06:07:20 PM · #23
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by yaksos:
Hey Jonpink...are you always this boring mate!! or is this arrogance a culture thing????? Your bleeding one two three corrective and void of any emotion comments drive me mad..Are you a Virgo or something???

What the...?

What Ben said..

No challenge entries and only two forum posts (the last one a year ago) -- I'll have to echo what Ben said as well.

***

IMO, noise removal should be a part of the capture portion of post-processing. I perform it second in my every evolving workflow -- right after color correction. (well, third if I have to rotate -- but that is just to keep vertigo to a minimum.) :D This corrects the color abnormalities that could be confused with noise first, and then removes the noise before any editing steps alter it. Of course, since I shoot in jpg, it as already been altered, so I just have to deal with that.

David
 10/03/2004 06:07:55 PM · #24
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by yaksos:
Hey Jonpink...are you always this boring mate!! or is this arrogance a culture thing????? Your bleeding one two three corrective and void of any emotion comments drive me mad..Are you a Virgo or something???

What the...?

What Ben said..


What Paul & Ben said :D

10/03/2004 06:13:40 PM · #25
Originally posted by jonpink:
:D


Good to see you showing some emotion for a change! lol
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