20D B&W - Please Post here :-) - DPChallenge Forums

10/13/2004 09:30:45 AM · #1

Hey ya'll happy 20D owners! I'm very curious about the B&W capabilities of the 20D. Would you take some shots (unedited) and post them here?

Thanks!!

tyrkinn

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Canon

10/13/2004 09:33:40 AM · #2

Does anybody use in-camera B/W setting? Better to do it in post processing I think.

PaulMdx

Canon EOS-1D

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM

10/13/2004 09:35:07 AM · #3

Personally I would always take a shot in colour, so I can leave it as colour and/or convert it to B&W, then I have both options.

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

10/13/2004 09:36:01 AM · #4

With my G3 I would still shoot colour so as to keep all the information and then convert in software. Much more flexibility doing it this way, IMO.

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

10/13/2004 10:36:45 AM · #5

Yes, you are all right but I would like to see some pics all the same. Just to see how the 20D performs in that area.

thatcloudthere

Canon EOS-1D

10/13/2004 10:37:49 AM · #6

So, to clarify...even if I'm positive I want the photo to be b&w, I should still shoot it in colour, then convert?

VisiBlanco

Tamron SP AF 17-35mm f/2.8-4 Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

10/13/2004 11:00:21 AM · #7

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

So, to clarify...even if I'm positive I want the photo to be b&w, I should still shoot it in colour, then convert?

Yep, I'm not sure if there even is a B&W setting on the 10d/20d. If you shoot colour, you can mix the color channels (much the same as Ansel Adams did with colour filters) and then desaturate. This will give you some more dynamic results than simple uniform desaturation.

bruski

Canon EOS-50D

10/13/2004 11:08:05 AM · #8

The 20D does have a B&W setting. But it is the only Canon DSLR that does right now.

giega

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM II

10/13/2004 11:08:33 AM · #9

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Message edited by author 2004-10-13 11:08:57.

thatcloudthere

Canon EOS-1D

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

10/13/2004 11:09:46 AM · #10

Originally posted by VisiBlanco:

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
So, to clarify...even if I'm positive I want the photo to be b&w, I should still shoot it in colour, then convert?

Yep, I'm not sure if there even is a B&W setting on the 10d/20d. If you shoot colour, you can mix the color channels (much the same as Ansel Adams did with colour filters) and then desaturate. This will give you some more dynamic results than simple uniform desaturation.

I've done this and ended up using the green channel as my final. I'm still trying to figure out what that all means, though.

How do I use these different results? Or does it just give me a few options to choose from?

Edit: or am I talking about a different method altogether?

Message edited by author 2004-10-13 11:10:24.

mariomel

10/13/2004 11:47:46 AM · #11

I took some as test shots the other day, but they are at home, and I'm at work now. I'll post later on.

BTW, if you use EVU (20D version) and shoot in RAW format, you can convert to BW in post, using all the various filters and toning options, as if you'd done it in the camera. That's a nice feature.

C-Fox

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

10/13/2004 01:02:48 PM · #12

Originally posted by tyrkinn:

Does anybody use in-camera B/W setting? Better to do it in post processing I think.

I suppose the only advantage of is the ability to look at the B&W picture while still at the scene, and for those who are not comfortable with post processing and want it all in-camera

Jelloeye

10/13/2004 01:50:21 PM · #13

Hey Digi!

I posted these awhile ago experimenting with tampering with the custom color boosts as well as the black and white on the Canon 20d!

//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=129110

Hope this helps somewhat! :)

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 18-70mm 1:35-4.5G ED

10/13/2004 02:09:54 PM · #14

Originally posted by Jelloeye:

So is this photo

an example of B&W straight out of the camera? That's not a bad looking image at all! I like it :-)

p.s. Yes, this does help! Sheesh - I just wanted to see some examples not start a debate on the merits of B&W conversion after capture. Thanks :-)

Message edited by author 2004-10-13 14:11:12.

Tech-D

Nikon D200

10/13/2004 02:42:29 PM · #15

I just picked up a 20D about 2 weeks ago. I'm having a friend that has been in photography for years giving me some instruction. So this is far from professional, and probably far from Amateurish also, but a little better then P&S that I just moved from. :D

jaredldr

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

10/13/2004 02:58:29 PM · #16

Death to all powerlines!!

As in this picture it never fails that some stupid power lines are in the way when a nice subject is found.

Nice photo by the way:)

VisiBlanco

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

10/13/2004 03:04:02 PM · #17

Nice photo Tech-D, did you go inside by chance? Yea powerlines suck, sometimes I don't even notice they are in a shot until I get it on the computer.

Gil P

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

10/13/2004 03:11:16 PM · #18

I do believe that a shot done at camera level in b/w on the 20D will actualy be more contrasted and more true to the greyscale than if done in post.

The reason is that ALL digital camera's shoot in Greyscale and that it's an algorythm based calculation that creates the colorscheme... so by sticking to the greyscale original, there is no in camera procedural calculations. this is why ALL large frame digital bodies offer B/w at camera level.

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

10/13/2004 03:23:52 PM · #19

Originally posted by VisiBlanco:

Nice photo Tech-D, did you go inside by chance? Yea powerlines suck, sometimes I don't even notice they are in a shot until I get it on the computer.

Ain't that the truth! I think we are so conditioned to seeing them that they kinda disappear until we have a really cool photo that's perfect except for...

Tech-D, I wonder if you could go back to that old church and isolate some of the architectural details? Would be cool IMO :-)

faidoi

Pentax K10D

10/13/2004 03:29:14 PM · #20

Originally posted by Tech-D:

Either it's me or the shot would benefit with a bit more contrast.

muckpond

Nikon D200

Sigma 15mm f/2.8 EX Diagonal Fisheye for Nikon

10/13/2004 03:55:04 PM · #21

power lines, shmower lines.

sorry. i'm bored at work.

Message edited by author 2004-10-13 15:55:48.

Natator

Sigma 28-80mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical HF for Pentax

10/13/2004 06:24:55 PM · #22

I've played around with the b&w mode on mine and am quite impressed with it. I've also played with the sepia tone and think it has that just right (for the test pics I took at least).

However, I don't see me using b&w mode often, even though I do a lot of b&w studio shots at times, as I think I'll get better results with post processing, even though it is more work.

If that is not the case I'd love to know, but fact rather than speculation.

However, I think (have not got the camera to hand to check) that I was shooting in RAW and large jpg mode ... and I ended up with the jpg in b&w, sepia, whatever, but the RAW file was still full colour.

If I am right about that (really wish I'd checked, it has only just struck me as I wrote this) then that is excellent. I can set to b&w, use the jpg's if I want, but still have a full colour RAW available if I want to do something else with it.

Message edited by author 2004-10-13 18:31:14.

Pug-H

Pentax K10D

10/13/2004 06:36:39 PM · #23

I took my Touch challenge submission in B&W because I thought that it'd be better that way. But then, I don't have a really good whizz-bang camera like you guys, yet.

mariomel

10/14/2004 12:39:03 AM · #24

Originally posted by Natator:

However, I think (have not got the camera to hand to check) that I was shooting in RAW and large jpg mode ... and I ended up with the jpg in b&w, sepia, whatever, but the RAW file was still full colour.

If I am right about that (really wish I'd checked, it has only just struck me as I wrote this) then that is excellent. I can set to b&w, use the jpg's if I want, but still have a full colour RAW available if I want to do something else with it.

You are partially correct: The JPEG will be in BW, as will the RAW file, but the RAW file still retains all the colour info. You just need to change the settings in EVU to show in full colour.

EDIT: I just noticed that in DPP or probably any other RAW processor that doesn't have the BW settings, the CR2 file shows up in colour.

So we do have the best of both worlds. Yet another reason to shoot in the RAW. Damn this camera rocks!

Message edited by author 2004-10-14 00:40:51.

mariomel