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10/22/2004 02:22:11 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Rooster:
And BTW, the whole slum/ghetto comment is EXTREMELY classist of you. Dunno where you're from, but these days you dont have to go anywhere particular to find people living in poverty.
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Me?? Classist? I think perhaps you are being classist here by trying to imply that people living in ghettos/slums are not living in poverty. Either that or you don't quite have the command of English you think you do. I used this as an example to illustrate one area where you would find poverty and how foolish it would be to take your 300D into such surroundings.
I can assure you I am not so wrapped in the cotton wool of modern society to not be aware that poverty is all around and that there are other meanings to the word. Nor, am I in denial about my place in society. I do manual work and earn a low wage, compared with some I could be classed as living in poverty cos I don't have a large car, mansion and £500K a year to live on.
I have worked with and around poverty during my working life, but never have I been called a CLASSIST! Call me a lousy photographer if you like, but don't question my morals or opinions when you know nothing about me!
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10/22/2004 02:43:40 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Formerlee:
Me?? Classist? I think perhaps you are being classist here by trying to imply that people living in ghettos/slums are not living in poverty. Either that or you don't quite have the command of English you think you do. I used this as an example to illustrate one area where you would find poverty and how foolish it would be to take your 300D into such surroundings.
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I would have to think that there are many places you can go with your camera equipment that are relatively safe to photograph poverty, like homless in a local park, a food pantry or soup kitchen, a downtown emergency room, a children's shelter, single monther's help center. As someone who has worked with "the poor" for decades, I have rarely felt threatened when doing something helpful for someone. If it is too overwhelming or you lack ideas, just stage a photo of someone or something. |
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10/22/2004 02:57:07 PM · #28 |
Reading this thread I was kind of suprised. I just recently found this site and one of the things that seemed to be the biggest draw where the challenges. Not because they were simply and easy, but because they were creative. If you read a topic like poverty and you automatically think it means to picture a homeless person, you need to step back and rethink the subject. I have 1/2 a dozen ideas in my head, the question is can I take a decent enough picture of any of them to submit. :)
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10/22/2004 03:00:40 PM · #29 |
| I think the current challenge topics are two of the best I've seen in the almost two years I've been here. I can't remember when I've actually been inspired to submit to two in the same month, let alone the same week. |
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10/22/2004 04:06:17 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Rooster:
And BTW, the whole slum/ghetto comment is EXTREMELY classist of you. Dunno where you're from, but these days you dont have to go anywhere particular to find people living in poverty.
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Give me a break...he was just opining on what he thought would win a challenge, that's all. He's probably quite right.
Classist? Sheesh...people should be more careful before they pull those terms out and use them as weapons... |
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10/22/2004 04:13:19 PM · #31 |
| I think when a challenge is posted it is a good idea to communicate in a forum like this to see how others feel about the challenge. It can help the reader and poster open there minds up to a broader spectrum of what the challenge can mean. From now own as soon as a challenge is posted [because we know most of us sit up to see that first update from the last challenge] we should start to discuss the current challenge. I believe it will create a broader range of photographs and a more understanding when voting. What do you think??? |
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10/22/2004 11:26:54 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by SDW65:
I think when a challenge is posted it is a good idea to communicate in a forum like this to see how others feel about the challenge. It can help the reader and poster open there minds up to a broader spectrum of what the challenge can mean. From now own as soon as a challenge is posted [because we know most of us sit up to see that first update from the last challenge] we should start to discuss the current challenge. I believe it will create a broader range of photographs and a more understanding when voting. What do you think??? |
Or we could do it the other way. Don't discuss it at all in the forums and see what each of us comes with up on our own if our interpretation of the posted topic is not influenced by what someone else thinks might win the challenge. Maybe that would create the broader range of photographs. |
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10/22/2004 11:48:41 PM · #33 |
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10/24/2004 08:50:30 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Formerlee:
Originally posted by Rooster:
And BTW, the whole slum/ghetto comment is EXTREMELY classist of you. Dunno where you're from, but these days you dont have to go anywhere particular to find people living in poverty.
yep, that's my 2 cents! |
Me?? Classist? I think perhaps you are being classist here by trying to imply that people living in ghettos/slums are not living in poverty. Either that or you don't quite have the command of English you think you do. I used this as an example to illustrate one area where you would find poverty and how foolish it would be to take your 300D into such surroundings.
I can assure you I am not so wrapped in the cotton wool of modern society to not be aware that poverty is all around and that there are other meanings to the word. Nor, am I in denial about my place in society. I do manual work and earn a low wage, compared with some I could be classed as living in poverty cos I don't have a large car, mansion and £500K a year to live on.
I have worked with and around poverty during my working life, but never have I been called a CLASSIST! Call me a lousy photographer if you like, but don't question my morals or opinions when you know nothing about me! |
herein lies the problem with disagreeing with someone & pointing out what someone has said. There is a WORLD of difference in saying that what you said is classist & saying that you are a classist. My opinion of your post was about the former of these two, not the latter. I do not know you &^ therefore cannot have any thoughts or opinion on who you are or what your morals are. It seems a bit of a stretch for you to have read all this in my post. But of course, like others before, you started this thread, someone disagred with you, & you are mad & found a good way of relieving yourself by dissing me. Cool. Great. I won't dignify the things you said about me & my ability to write english with an answer.
I work in Brooklyn, NY & am often in Bed-Stuy with my 300D, many of these times late at night. Been to the South Bronx with it also at night. Been to Manhattan, again at night. Never been afraid... never feared that my cam was going to get stolen. At least not more than anywhere else I've taken my cam.
The fact is, that I don;t have to be around poverty or poor people to be afraid that my cam is going to be stolen. I can be in the richest neighbourhood in the world & still could get robbed.
To end, dont think I denied anywhere or anytime that ghettos/slums are not impoverished.
To me, your post leaves a lot to be desierd. Your opinion, your right, it counts.
My post, my opinion & it also counts. Don't think we have to diss each other to make our points or feel like we have accomplished something. Moreover, I dont think we should personalised what others have said as apersonal attack & read things into it that just aren't there.
PEACE!
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10/24/2004 09:54:48 PM · #35 |
| By limiting ourselves with the literal interpretation of each challenge we run the risk of acheiveing nothing more than predictable and mediocre results. Sure, the cool cameras we own are impressive but are nothing more than the tools we use capture our imaginations and the awe of the viewer. I believed to have narrowed it to three things which are required to do well on this site. A good camera, good photo shop skills and creativity. I know that I dont need to spend alot of money on creativity, I just need to use it. |
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