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10/25/2004 05:12:15 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Blackdog:
"Details: Calling all night owls! Take your best photograph after the sun goes down." |
Litteraly taken, the sun starts to go down at 12.00 mid-day, during lunchtime. If you really want to be precise: The sun never goes down, it is just the earth spinning on. :þ
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10/25/2004 05:13:47 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Philos31:
Originally posted by Formerlee:
I've got a great idea for challenges.
Just submit what you like and we'll make it fit somehow or other!
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That's called the Free Study |
Is it?? Then why is it happening in Night Shots II?
Read the post!
I am but a Village Idiot, after all? |
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10/25/2004 06:08:00 PM · #28 |
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10/25/2004 06:14:46 PM · #29 |
ok people, i got a few comments on this as well about it bieng indoors. that is CONCRETE not carpet.i dont usually have slugs in my house but there is a first time for everything. this was taken on my front porch with a flashlite, a tiny little flashlite at that. i admit after people said something about it, i thought it does look al little like carpet. but it is 100% concrete.
thanks
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10/25/2004 06:15:40 PM · #30 |
One of the biggest problems I see on this site is people don't take the challenge seriously. I've seen many post that say "I don't take the challenge into consideration..." - then why have a challenge? Post like this are the same:
"Litteraly taken, the sun starts to go down at 12.00 mid-day, during lunchtime. If you really want to be precise: The sun never goes down, it is just the earth spinning on. :þ"
If we don't know what "Night Shot" means, we might as well pack it all up and go home. Ray |
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10/25/2004 06:17:49 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by rayg544:
One of the biggest problems I see on this site is people don't take the challenge seriously. I've seen many post that say "I don't take the challenge into consideration..." - then why have a challenge? Post like this are the same:
"Litteraly taken, the sun starts to go down at 12.00 mid-day, during lunchtime. If you really want to be precise: The sun never goes down, it is just the earth spinning on. :þ"
If we don't know what "Night Shot" means, we might as well pack it all up and go home. Ray |
Quite right!
Who are being cheated? Only the person who submits the photo. Why cheat yourself? |
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10/25/2004 06:26:50 PM · #32 |
It's also one of my peeves - people taking creative license with the challenges in the name of "art" or "creative thinking". We see it in every challenge - look at the entries in the HOPE challenge for example.
What's even worse, in my opinion, is that voters will (by their own admission via comments) not take in to account the fact that the photo doesn't meet the challenge. I'll paraphrase one "I thought the picture was so cool. I know it doesn't really meet the challenge but I'm giving it a 9 anyway." It makes it more difficult for those who really try to stay within the challenge rules.
As for the picture of the Sun in the night shot challenge. I thought the picture looked odd, but gave it the benefit of the doubt. Now I feel a little like I did when a certain former American President pointed his finger in my face (on TV) and lied to me. Maybe now I won't be as likely to give the benefit of doubt to the next "odd" photo that I look at. |
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10/25/2004 06:34:11 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by vince31874:
I have to agree with Eojedaa. I don't think anything was done wrong. I see alot of photos like the ones listed above, that use their technique to meet a challenge. |
The challenge was to take a shot at night - what's so hard to understand about that? Do you really think it's fair to take any shot and convert it while honest people are out there trying to do their best to meet the rules of the challenge? Taking a good shot at night is more that just going out after dark. There are considerations to be made for proper exposures, focus can be difficult, the timing is often not convenient for a lot of people who go out an make their best effort anyway. Then someone comes along and does a conversion - not putting forth any of the effort, and gets a better score.
It's just wrong! |
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10/25/2004 08:20:35 PM · #34 |
Quite the discussion, I did not expect to elicit such strong opinions from everyone. It is good to know that people still have strong convictions about somethings in this day and age.
Well here are some of my outtakes from the challenge if anyone cares to look. If you look, you will see they were (probably) taken at night;)
  
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10/25/2004 08:42:17 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by eojedaa:
Aguapreta image meets the challenge rules. My submission also was taken at daylight, and I only darkened the sky. I think its part of the creativity.
More examples:
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Submission to "Night shot II"
Was this one made at night or when the sun was falling down?
another,
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For me these are all valid subs. Creativity (and widening of the challenge theme) plays an important role . Finally its up to the voter (to all of the voters in fact) to place the image in question in the 1st 2nd, or 130th rank position.
If you think aguapreta image tries to fool the voter, make a proposal to ban some of the edits: hue change, rotate 180º the image....
Also count the photographs which titles do not match exactly the item photographed. |
And...
Originally posted by Blackdog:
Photographer's Comments Taken on a warm Sydney evening about 40 minutes after sunset.
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Thanks guys. Its nice to have your photo used as an example. I'd just like to add my 2c worth here.
As Blackdog has rightly observed, I commented that this image was taken about 40 minutes after sunset. So if you go by the letter of the challenge, it is after sunset. I do realise however, that in having any light whatsoever in the sky, I sacrificed a percentage of the votes I could have received otherwise.
For me, these challenges represent a personal challenge to take the best possible photo I can take, and enjoy improving my skills in the process. Although affirmation and winning a challenge is a great goal, I feel that if we base our submissions entirely on this premise, we risk being dissapointed most of the time!
Some of us will enjoy submitting an image that bends the rules somewhat, and then they are at the mercy of the voters whether or not they succeed in bending the rules. If someone succeeds at bending the rules, good on them. If they dont, I'm sure they had fun anyway!
Lets focus on improving our photography skills and learning from others and not worry about who else is doing what.
Each of us has a passion for photography or we wouldnt be here. So have fun, and attack the next challenge. The past is the past.
Blessings,
Andrew |
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10/25/2004 09:47:34 PM · #36 |
Geez... lighten up, folks. It's just a game. There's nothing in the rules that says you have to shoot exactly what the challenge specified in order to meet it.
 This shot for the Miniature challenge didn't have anything miniature about it- in fact, most of the props were oversized, but it barely missed a ribbon. "Not meeting the challenge" is not grounds for DQ, nor is it cheating. Aguapreta didn't submit some random image with no challenge in mind. He found an unorthodox way to meet the challnge within the rules, and I applaud the creative approach. How is this any different than the standard practice of using mashed potatoes in a photo to simulate ice cream? Photography is all about the image, and appearances can often be deceiving. As long as the editing is within the rules, then all photos are fair game and it's up to the voters to determine whether an image appears to meet the challenge.
I don't think Moonrise could have scored too high simply because people expect to see craters in the moon, but I think Agua should be commended for experimenting and thinking outside the box. The thought process must have been something like, "Hmm... my shots in the dark aren't working. What else can I do?" That's part of the fun. If you actually went to the trouble of camping under the stars to get a shot, that's great, but if someone else was clever enough to compose a shot inside a planetarium at noon, then I offer kudos, not complaints. ;-) |
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