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11/10/2004 09:16:37 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I noticed that he didn't include the fact that it would be foolish to do it :) |
Predicting I would "rack up the ones" doesn't convey foolishness to you? : ) |
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11/10/2004 09:21:54 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by garlic:
Originally posted by Pug-H:
Another option is to take the photo with the camera set on black and white. (I presume that's possible with all digital cameras, but correct me if I'm wrong.) |
You are wrong. Besides in most cases in-computer algorithms are much better for photoediting than in-camera. |
How is he wrong? He simply said it was "another option." He did not say it was the ideal option, which it isn't, but it is an option.
-Terry |
I think garlic is saying it's wrong to assume that all digital cameras have the capability to take a B+W shot in-camera.
Message edited by author 2004-11-10 21:23:40. |
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11/10/2004 09:23:25 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I noticed that he didn't include the fact that it would be foolish to do it :) |
Predicting I would "rack up the ones" doesn't convey foolishness to you? : ) |
No... because you and I are both used to that and do it regularly :)
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11/10/2004 09:27:14 PM · #54 |
As far as the masses go... If you had a couple who wanted you to shoot a wedding and they said they wanted black and white prints, they would not be thinking of sepia toned prints.
My thought is: A black and white picture should be grayscale, but it might have a slight warm or cool cast. You can rhetoric all day long, but I think (with my herd mentality) that's what the masses will judge by too. :) |
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11/10/2004 11:44:25 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by garlic:
Originally posted by Pug-H:
Another option is to take the photo with the camera set on black and white. (I presume that's possible with all digital cameras, but correct me if I'm wrong.) |
You are wrong. Besides in most cases in-computer algorithms are much better for photoediting than in-camera. |
How is he wrong? He simply said it was "another option." He did not say it was the ideal option, which it isn't, but it is an option.
-Terry |
I think garlic is saying it's wrong to assume that all digital cameras have the capability to take a B+W shot in-camera. |
I was assuming that all/most digital cameras had the B/W option built into them, as mine does, and it's such a little thing. I stand corrected. |
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11/11/2004 07:50:31 AM · #56 |
"I would say toning is ok. "Reduce the world to a palette of grays" is just a matter of speech, it means monochrome imo and 100% black and 100% white is allowed."
Dismissing the challenge details as lightly as this starts one on the road to not meeting the challenge. |
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11/11/2004 07:56:57 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by eptasdi:
Originally posted by Nusbaum:
Originally posted by Lafaminit:
Originally posted by smokeditor:
Then on bottom Hue/Sat adjustment layer change blending mode to Color
and then adjust the Hue slider to your preference. |
Don't layers have to be in normal mode per the rules? Using color mode would cause a DQ. |
This is a very common and affective method for doing the black and white conversion. I would think that we could make it ok for basic rules since the Color blending mode doesn't actually affect the final image color? Is this worth running by the site admins? |
I'm curious about this also. After trying many different ways to convert to b & w, I've started using this method (found it in another thread) and really like the results I'm getting.
Is it legal? Anyone know for sure? |
The Basic Editing rules clearly state:
Layers: Only adjustment layers may be used, and the layer must be applied in normal mode. All other types of layers and all other blending methods (modes) are prohibited.
Message edited by author 2004-11-11 07:57:40. |
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11/11/2004 08:00:52 AM · #58 |
Yeah, I went back and read that, thanks Eddy. (If all else fails, read the directions!)
I tried the "levels" method and that works pretty good too, just need more practice. |
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11/11/2004 08:20:35 AM · #59 |
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11/11/2004 09:10:03 AM · #60 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
The Basic Editing rules clearly state:
Layers: Only adjustment layers may be used, and the layer must be applied in normal mode. All other types of layers and all other blending methods (modes) are prohibited. |
Forgive me for saying this (not directed at you Eddy) but that is just downright stupid. The B&W conversion example is a perfect example of why you need to do this. Again, the rules are setup biased against PS Elements users who don't have curves adjustments.
The other good example of this bias was in the soft focus challenge, where it was legal for a PS user to appply a gaussian blur and then fade it into the layer at different levels, but it wasn't legal for a PS Elements user to do this using a second layer with the gaussian blur and use transparency to fade it in. SAME EXACT effect. So those people that can cost justify buying PS had an advantage.
How about a level playing field?
Message edited by author 2004-11-11 09:10:14. |
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11/11/2004 09:10:19 AM · #61 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by eptasdi:
Originally posted by Nusbaum:
Originally posted by Lafaminit:
Originally posted by smokeditor:
Then on bottom Hue/Sat adjustment layer change blending mode to Color
and then adjust the Hue slider to your preference. |
Don't layers have to be in normal mode per the rules? Using color mode would cause a DQ. |
This is a very common and affective method for doing the black and white conversion. I would think that we could make it ok for basic rules since the Color blending mode doesn't actually affect the final image color? Is this worth running by the site admins? |
I'm curious about this also. After trying many different ways to convert to b & w, I've started using this method (found it in another thread) and really like the results I'm getting.
Is it legal? Anyone know for sure? |
The Basic Editing rules clearly state:
Layers: Only adjustment layers may be used, and the layer must be applied in normal mode. All other types of layers and all other blending methods (modes) are prohibited. |
So, does that leave using "Channel Mixer" legal? |
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11/11/2004 09:19:19 AM · #62 |
Even in the eary days of motion pictures B&W was not just B&W. They would tint blue for night, amber for dawn, etc. Sometimes they would even tint for mood. But still no one called it color until the two color process hit in the twenties.
I would agree that true B&W rarely exists. |
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11/11/2004 09:42:16 AM · #63 |
Originally posted by autool:
So, does that leave using "Channel Mixer" legal? |
A Channel Mixer adjustment layer is legal in Basic Editing, provided the layer mode is "normal". |
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11/11/2004 09:58:35 AM · #64 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by autool:
So, does that leave using "Channel Mixer" legal? |
A Channel Mixer adjustment layer is legal in Basic Editing, provided the layer mode is "normal". |
OK, I got it.
Thanks |
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11/11/2004 10:06:19 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by xion:
My experience here is that Eye Candy dominates. |
So very true. I like the way you put that. |
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11/11/2004 10:14:16 AM · #66 |
In fact, I like it so much that i think I'll use it as my signature. If you object I'll delete it.
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11/11/2004 11:00:47 AM · #67 |
Is it legal to take only one of the channels, R _or_ G _or_ B and use that?
A lot of times a lot better representation of the image is contained in one or two of the channels only, as opposed to desat values of the combination of the three. |
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11/11/2004 01:01:16 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by yurasocolov:
Is it legal to take only one of the channels, R _or_ G _or_ B and use that?
A lot of times a lot better representation of the image is contained in one or two of the channels only, as opposed to desat values of the combination of the three. |
Yes you can do that, or use the Channel Mixer to combine/eliminate them in varying proportion. |
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