More Global Warming & more Oil Drilling

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11/10/2004 11:22:00 PM · #26

You must note that this group was qualified as concerned. That is a disclaimer for a group of scientist who are more political than scientific. Make a note of that. lol

11/10/2004 11:32:00 PM · #27

Originally posted by MadMordegon:

As a note for future reference to anyone who pays attention, in case the obvious to me isnt obvious to everyone in this case;

graphicfunk just referred to the Union of Concerned Scientists as "misguided idiots". Make a note for future reference when considering anything he says.

In other words, you STILL can't find any proof.

11/10/2004 11:44:27 PM · #28

Let's have a pre-emptive war on global warming instead of on humanity and the environment.

graphicfunk

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11/10/2004 11:49:43 PM · #29

Whyb not a premptive war on the supercilious, the conceited, the misguided, those who seek a cause for their existence by telling others what to do and not to do, and all idiots in general. Such an attack will render these threads null and void. ROFL

11/10/2004 11:54:34 PM · #30

You must be talking about the Bush administration.
Tell me what is so bad about concern for the environment and trying to promote its well being.

Originally posted by graphicfunk:

MadMordegon

11/10/2004 11:57:07 PM · #31

Originally posted by Olyuzi:

Tell me what is so bad about concern for the environment and trying to promote its well being.

It goes against capitalism; that great thing that has created the largest gaps in wealth the world has ever seen.

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11/10/2004 11:59:39 PM · #32

GraphicFunk...
Everything to you boils down to one thing...money. Capitalism and taxes...nothing else is important to you.

Cantique

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11/11/2004 12:02:07 AM · #33

Originally posted by MadMordegon:

My father who received a Nobel Prize in Chemistry for discovering Neptunium and co-discovering Plutonium was a member of Concerned Scientists. I'd like graphicfunk to try matching wits with my dad. Unfortunately he passed away. But Good Grief!!! Ann

11/11/2004 12:06:54 AM · #34

The people who deny global warming are quick to have pre-emptive wars against nation states where no need exists, but have no interest in preventing environmental catastrophes before they occur. They seek proof like lawyers seek proof in a court of law...but that is after the crime...after the fact.

frumoaznicul

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11/11/2004 12:15:31 AM · #35

theories, theories, theories, my theory is that we are not going to destroy mother nature. She's gonna destroy us before we get even close. I thik the heavy natural phenomenoms we see today are just warnings. In the near future I predict we will see some we didn't even imagine before and eventualy it will whipe us out, but mother nature will survive it. Us humans are a plague, like it or not. We spread and we multiply and multiply consume everything, recently we consume much more than we need just so we can have corporations, and produce nothing on this world. I say GO MOTHER NATURE GO!!! SCREW MY KIND!!!

MadMordegon

11/11/2004 12:47:57 AM · #36

"Id like to share a revelation that Iâ��ve had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that your not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment. But you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern... a virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet."
-Agent Smith "The Matrix"

graphicfunk

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11/11/2004 12:55:17 AM · #37

Originally posted by Olyuzi:

GraphicFunk...
Everything to you boils down to one thing...money. Capitalism and taxes...nothing else is important to you.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
While it is true that I have ammased a minor fortune I was first adopted and ran away from home with nothing at the age of sixteen. Capitalism is great because even though I starved for some years I pushed forward. But I always lived life to the fullest and I still do. I am highly respected and loved and I am passionate about everything I do. My love of life is nothing compared to my respect for money.

However, I am not moved at all by people who claim that they are superior and know better. Read all of these threads and you will find that the left always knows better what is good for me and the world. They insult me because they claim to have a more compassionate heart and all they have is simply a political agenda. The big media just announced the melting of the ice caps and now they have to take it back. Look, when concerned scientist get together you have a political agenda. There are as many scientist who are concern but do not group as the concerned and they will tell you that all of these theories are rubbish.

Here try this this old take from the time I use to stay up and discuss and defeat Liberals: fill a glass of water to the very top and place it in the freezer. Use good glass that won't crack. After frozen, remove it from freezer and look at it.

Watch it melt and see just how much overspills. The earth has water with frozen zones at both ends but nothing you or I do will have no effect whatsoever. And if the permutations and cosmic upheavels come to pass that will melt the caps it will be just like the thawing glass before you. The problem with the left is that their education consisted of learning to hate America instead of basic physics and common sense.

Look at your arguments: what you are saying is that you know better and you are more advanced and you are more concerned because you have the concerned scientist. Speak to me about all scientist and not all have joined the concerned because the concerned are simply politically painted. Now, when all scientist reach a similar conclusion, I will listen, until then see that all of these concerned scientist are leftish. lol

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11/11/2004 01:25:43 AM · #38

Me, my fortune, I am, I enjoy, I live, Lo love, I'm loved, I'm liked, I play, I'm happy... and I don't care what I destroy in the mean time and what I leave for the future generatins... A really valuable lesson, thank you.

Message edited by author 2004-11-11 01:26:13.

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11/11/2004 01:35:15 AM · #39

Originally posted by graphicfunk:

Originally posted by Olyuzi:
GraphicFunk...
Everything to you boils down to one thing...money. Capitalism and taxes...nothing else is important to you.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
While it is true that I have ammased a minor fortune I was first adopted and ran away from home with nothing at the age of sixteen. Capitalism is great because even though I starved for some years I pushed forward. But I always lived life to the fullest and I still do. I am highly respected and loved and I am passionate about everything I do. My love of life is nothing compared to my respect for money.

However, I am not moved at all by people who claim that they are superior and know better. Read all of these threads and you will find that the left always knows better what is good for me and the world. They insult me because they claim to have a more compassionate heart and all they have is simply a political agenda. The big media just announced the melting of the ice caps and now they have to take it back. Look, when concerned scientist get together you have a political agenda. There are as many scientist who are concern but do not group as the concerned and they will tell you that all of these theories are rubbish.

Here try this this old take from the time I use to stay up and discuss and defeat Liberals: fill a glass of water to the very top and place it in the freezer. Use good glass that won't crack. After frozen, remove it from freezer and look at it.

Watch it melt and see just how much overspills. The earth has water with frozen zones at both ends but nothing you or I do will have no effect whatsoever. And if the permutations and cosmic upheavels come to pass that will melt the caps it will be just like the thawing glass before you. The problem with the left is that their education consisted of learning to hate America instead of basic physics and common sense.

Look at your arguments: what you are saying is that you know better and you are more advanced and you are more concerned because you have the concerned scientist. Speak to me about all scientist and not all have joined the concerned because the concerned are simply politically painted. Now, when all scientist reach a similar conclusion, I will listen, until then see that all of these concerned scientist are leftish. lol

I thought this was true of you that you love money more than life and it clearly shows through.

No one on the left is claiming superiority. I think this is plainly projection on your part. The left is claiming urgent concern for what we as a species are doing to our only home in the universe, planet earth. You require 100% scientific agreement on global warming but when the Bush administration goes to war without a shred of evidence that's ok with you. When they kill hundreds of thousands of people for no good reason, that is ok with you. There is no more arrogant political administration now than Bush but you accuse the left of this. You are so confused, GF.

MadMordegon

11/11/2004 02:01:32 AM · #40

Originally posted by graphicfunk:

The problem with the left is that their education consisted of learning to hate America instead of basic physics and common sense.

When you constantly make wild claims like this it is difficult for anyone to take you seriously on the subject.

Why dont you apogize for insulting ACPhotoDesign's father instead of further defending your wild, non factual based posts?

asij

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11/11/2004 05:54:20 AM · #41

IsnÂ´t the states blocking the kyoto? Not that the kyoto could save our planet but itÂ´s a beginning
Yesterday it was 14 degrees in iceland while there was 0 degrees here in Berlin.. (saw it in the news) I mean... whatÂ´s up with that.. It hardly snows in Iceland these years.

Imagineer

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11/11/2004 06:18:38 AM · #42

Since this will never be resolved with any speed and responsibilty by those with power, I s'pose we'll have to take the long view:

Man is a product of nature.
We have created, destroyed and acted in a natural way for our species.
We may wipe out oursleves and other species along the path of our lifespan.
The Earth will eventually end, destroying everything anyway.
If we do survive, we might just make it to other planets and start a better process.

mrorange002

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11/11/2004 09:17:12 AM · #43

here's an article by a little Loony Leftist publication called The New York Times White House Edits E.P.A. report on climate change.

But I guess when you follow your true "God" GW Bush, you blindly believe anything he says.

Ron, the facts are out there. I'm sure there are 1000 articles showing human induced global warming to every single 1 article you can find showing that it's not true.

Do a little research. You might think you are smarter than thousands of researchers worldwide, but I don't.

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11/11/2004 09:50:50 AM · #44

Originally posted by ericlimon:

In other words, you can't produce any proof either.

I have done research and all that I have found tying global warming to human activity are assumptions and conjecture. Absolutely no scientific study. Complete inference. A) Humans burn fossil fuels. B) Burning fossil fuels increases greenhouse gasses. C) Greenhouse gasses are increasing. D) The average global temperature is increasing. So the brilliant concerned scientists say If A->B and B->C, then A->D. They do this WITHOUT proving that C->D.

I have already agreed that the globe is warming. I have already agreed that human activity has increased the level of CO2 in the atmosphere. What I do NOT agree to is that CO2 levels ( or greenhouse gas levels, if you prefer ) and global warming are directly proportional. I HAVE found scientific reports on long-term comparisons of global temperatures and greenhouse gasses and have found NO correlation - in fact there have been many times when global temperatures FELL while greenhouse gasses ROSE and vice-versa.

mrorange002

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11/11/2004 10:19:21 AM · #45

There is nothing I can post that will prove anything to you ron. You will argue anything I post, because you just love to argue. Whatever magazine article, newpaper article, research paper you will argue it because in your mind, you are smarter than all of these researchers and anyone else who has a different view than you do. Do your own research. Believe whatever you want.

11/11/2004 10:37:06 AM · #46

I'll make this point again:
It's just amazing to me that those who will err on the side of going to war will not act CONSERVATIVELY (!!!) when it comes to conserving the environment. It will be way too late to make changes to our behaviors if and when mother earth turns against us. Many are arguing that this is already happening. What can be harmful about attempting to effect global warming, whether or not you believe it is human induced or not?
I don't understand how these people can be supportive of policies that act in destructive ways against humanity and the environment. I think that their answers to these questions would be that it is harmful to business, which, from what I can see, has helped to get us into this predicament to begin with.

11/11/2004 10:54:40 AM · #47

Originally posted by ericlimon:

You are correct. You can't post anything to prove that global warming is a result of human activity.
Whatever articles you post, I will review with a critical view, something that many in these fora obviously will not do - they will give total credance to suppositions, conjectures, opinions, and any number of statements that have no underlying corroborative data to support the statements.
I am not smarter than researchers - but show me the research that these smart people did, and perhaps it will stand up to critical analysis.

Believe whatever you want, too.

kevinf

11/11/2004 10:56:33 AM · #48

You are right in saying there is no conclusive evidence supporting the claim that human activity is causing global warming but I work for Johns Hopkins University on a USAID project to deliver public health information to developing countries. Global warming is outside that scope but I just did a quick search of my database and can give you the bibliographic information of almost 150 research papers published from all over the world discussing the effects global warming has been having on public health. If you would like.

kevinf

11/11/2004 10:59:37 AM · #49

Or you can search yourself.
www.popline.org