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09/18/2024 12:15:07 AM · #1 |
| We often wonder how our outtake would have performed. How about 2 challenges of the same topic and rule set at the same time so we can see how 2 alternate entries of the same thing would really compare with the DPC collective? |
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09/18/2024 07:20:26 AM · #2 |
| As an indecisive photographer, I like this idea. |
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09/18/2024 07:59:45 AM · #3 |
| I like the idea too - especially if the two photos are quite different from each other. |
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09/18/2024 10:44:21 AM · #4 |
| Sounds good. I have a horrible time making decisions too. Not just with photography, but in all areas of my life. |
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09/18/2024 01:23:16 PM · #5 |
The main "problem" with this is you still won't know how "Photo A" would have done if competing against the submissions to "Challenge B" -- what you really want to know is how your "outtake" would have fared against everyone else's first choice.
Perhaps a better way to address this question is to suspend the rules for one challenge and allow two entries/person. |
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09/18/2024 03:47:58 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Perhaps a better way to address this question is to suspend the rules for one challenge and allow two entries/person. |
I like that idea too! |
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09/18/2024 04:02:03 PM · #7 |
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09/18/2024 04:46:53 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Perhaps a better way to address this question is to suspend the rules for one challenge and allow two entries/person. |
Unfortunately, there's no mechanism by which that can be accomplished in place. I suppose we *could* make it an open challenge, allow folks to create a second ID, and then unwind the whole mess afterwards, but that's a hell of a tangled skein of yarn by that time... |
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09/18/2024 06:14:00 PM · #9 |
| Thanks, wasn't sure it would be doable. Oh, well. |
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09/18/2024 07:15:33 PM · #10 |
I just had a nasty thought :-)
1. Run the simultaneous challenges as Spiffy suggested.
2. REQUIRE that entries be two versions of the same scene, and recognizably so.
3. REQUIRE that voters compare the two while voting, in side-by-side windows.
4. REQUIRE that every paired entry be given a 10 and a 1, or a 5 and a 5.
5. COMPARE totals, and giggle.
Nah, that's mean and utterly unenforceable :-) |
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09/20/2024 02:53:33 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
The main "problem" with this is you still won't know how "Photo A" would have done if competing against the submissions to "Challenge B" -- what you really want to know is how your "outtake" would have fared against everyone else's first choice. |
I don't think that's what everyone supporting this idea wants. A lot of us are indecisive enough that we consider our two choices to be equals.
But if you think a lot more people do have a favorite and an outtake, just assign favorites and outtakes to different challenges based on some fair criterion - e.g. "if your USER_ID is an odd number, favorite goes in 1 and outtake goes in 2 // if even, favorite in 2 and outtake in 1." Obviously, automatic DQ if you didn't submit to both challenges.
Then someone can go through and do math on outtakes vs favorites, outtakes vs outtakes, favorites vs favorites, whatever. |
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09/20/2024 04:25:19 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I just had a nasty thought :-)
1. Run the simultaneous challenges as Spiffy suggested.
2. REQUIRE that entries be two versions of the same scene, and recognizably so.
3. REQUIRE that voters compare the two while voting, in side-by-side windows.
4. REQUIRE that every paired entry be given a 10 and a 1, or a 5 and a 5.
5. COMPARE totals, and giggle.
Nah, that's mean and utterly unenforceable :-) |
We could try a simpler thing: a challenge where every entry is a diptych with two variants (we had diptych challenges before, didn't we?). Voters are asked to give score based on the one they consider a better shot and also indicate in the comment which one it is (Left/Right or Top/Bottom). The downside of this of course is a smaller size of each shot... oh well. |
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09/20/2024 05:36:18 PM · #13 |
| Two side by side challenges as per the original suggestion would tell us all we need to know if scores are given objectively. |
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