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02/21/2025 12:40:42 PM · #1 |
Now that a new extended editing challenge has been announced I read the rules again. One of them is "You may use any feature of image processing software to manipulate/enhance the images in your submission".
But also I see that not long a ago an image was disqualified for using AI to create a background and I see now that it was in an extended editing challenge. The reason given was that you will not have EXIF data from AI.
I have started to use new software recently (ON1 Photo RAW) and it is sometimes hard to know what is AI based and what is not. Sometimes it is named specifically "AI" like "Sky swap AI" but in other cases it is not, like "weather effect" and it still has a large impact on the image.
Both sky swap and weather addition are features of the image processing software and seem to be allowed if you read the first rule. But then sky swap is not allowed because it is specifically AI?
Is the key to this in the word "replacement". Replacement of image parts is not allowed, addition/manipulation/enhancement is?
Anyone else unsure about this?
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02/21/2025 01:04:24 PM · #2 |
| If you “sky swap” it’s fine as long as you have valid exit for the sky image, and taken within the allowed time period. |
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02/21/2025 01:29:45 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
If you “sky swap” it’s fine as long as you have valid exit for the sky image, and taken within the allowed time period. |
Fine but it does not fully clarify the boundary. It confirms that if you swap or replace, it needs to be image based.
But if you merge with an image (like weather such as rain or snow) does this weather also have to be image based? Is that considered to be the same as a texture?
Basically you can manipulate what is already existing in the image in any way, but you cannot add NEW elements?
Maybe the common editing rule "Using photo-realistic artwork to simulate physical objects or backgrounds that provide the primary impact of an entry will be grounds for disqualification." is the key here?
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02/21/2025 02:41:26 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by willem:
... But if you merge with an image (like weather such as rain or snow) does this weather also have to be image based? Is that considered to be the same as a texture? |
Any image you use must meet the date criteria and have valid exif data.
Textures are addressed in the Standard Editing rules, as follows:
Under 'You may' ... "use images that do not meet the source or date requirements as textures in your entry if they function specifically as textures and not to circumvent other rules."
If you're trying to use an image with stormy weather or pretty clouds in the sky, and want to call it 'texture', that's not going to fly. Textures can't be used to create a defined element. Now, if you want to find an image in your personal library that fits the date range (in this case, all of 2024 for the Art of 2024 challenge) and use that as a merged image for replacing the sky, or adding some drama, etc., go for it. Just make sure the exif hasn't been modified and you have a valid original for it. |
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02/22/2025 10:42:46 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by willem:
... But if you merge with an image (like weather such as rain or snow) does this weather also have to be image based? Is that considered to be the same as a texture? |
Any image you use must meet the date criteria and have valid exif data.
Textures are addressed in the Standard Editing rules, as follows:
Under 'You may' ... "use images that do not meet the source or date requirements as textures in your entry if they function specifically as textures and not to circumvent other rules."
If you're trying to use an image with stormy weather or pretty clouds in the sky, and want to call it 'texture', that's not going to fly. Textures can't be used to create a defined element. Now, if you want to find an image in your personal library that fits the date range (in this case, all of 2024 for the Art of 2024 challenge) and use that as a merged image for replacing the sky, or adding some drama, etc., go for it. Just make sure the exif hasn't been modified and you have a valid original for it. |
And yet you can add rain or snow by using brushes, etc. (in extended editing)
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02/22/2025 12:15:30 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
And yet you can add rain or snow by using brushes, etc. (in extended editing) |
Yep. |
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02/22/2025 07:01:24 PM · #7 |
Willem, let me see if a little history will help. Back before there were "expert" or now "extended" editing rules, a significant number of folks were feeling hamstrung by DPC rules since they were never allowed to composite 2 or more separate images into a single piece. But an equally significant number of folks felt that DPC wasn't a place to DO that, but rather a place to practice "pure" photography. Eventially "expert" editing rules were drafted allowing just that, and used for occasional challenges. The intent of the ruleset was to make it possible to create images composited of 2 or more distinct images each shot by the member within the challenge time frame.
A lot has changed since then, but that's still fundamental. IMAGES that become an element in the composition must be produced by the photographer within the given time frame.
Hopefully this helps? |
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02/23/2025 05:51:33 AM · #8 |
Thanks, clear, I always was in the "pure photography" camp, but am slowly drifting. I love playing with the light setup in "studio" to achieve the effect that I want, but gradually have less issues with tweaking afterwards.
I hardly ever participated in extended editing challenges and never examined the rules in detail. I always had the impression it was "everything allowed", especially as result of the "use any feature" clause . It is now clear this is not the case.
Message edited by author 2025-02-23 06:18:00. |
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02/23/2025 02:26:45 PM · #9 |
| Remember that you're not required to use extended techniques in an Extended challenge -- it's more a "cap" or limit as to how much post-processing you do. I myself will sometimes enter an image using either Standard or even Minimal editing in the Extended Free Study just because it's the best image available, and I think it will score as well as anything else. |
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