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12/22/2004 10:25:19 AM · #1 |
I'm guessing we might have a rehash of some debate from "low-tech".
To summarize:
Technically "electronic" and "electrical" have different meanings, however the wise DPC member will avoid both just to be sure.
BUT - more so than for low-tech - I think there are a LOT of very valid "mechanical" objects that involve electricity. A Model-T for example - needs electricity to run a very clever mechanical mechanism. Heck, there are a lot of mechanical things involving electronics - robotic car assembly arms for example. To my mind both are valid interpretations of the word "mechanical" - but should probably be avoided due to the detailed description of the challenge.
Why the exclusion of electronic? It seems unnecessarily limiting to me. |
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12/22/2004 10:32:37 AM · #2 |
BEcause it obviously wants you to photograph something compltely mechanical.
I cant see this turning out like low tech, when people see mechanical things, what are the odds that they know whether it requires electricity to start or not? |
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12/22/2004 10:58:27 AM · #3 |
if it has wires odds are it is electric ;}
and it's a good bet if it's less than 50 yrs old it's also electronic.
purely mechanical - block and tackle, reel mower, fishing pole reel, bicycle, garden sheers.
i am betting there will be a lot of OLD watches, and clocks...
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12/22/2004 11:18:04 AM · #4 |
| If it was made in the last 100 years (or made of aluminum) there's a good chance it was manufactured using something electric. |
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12/22/2004 11:28:04 AM · #5 |
i'm not sure the actual manufacturing process behind a non-electronic mechanical item is of any consequence for the challenge description.
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12/22/2004 11:29:46 AM · #6 |
Are "Solid State" controls considered 'Electronic'?
My understanding of 'Electronic' means having to do with transistors and the trappings of modern computer technology. An example would be an industrial laser, it utilizes several electronic components in order to function, whereas a Mechanical or Hyrdaulic Press (Depending upon model/age) will use Solid State switches that control the up and down motion. |
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12/22/2004 11:35:12 AM · #7 |
the less likely the item would be considered non-electronic - the less low votes you'll receive. pushing the limits of challenge interpretation doesn't seem to fly well here...
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12/22/2004 11:43:00 AM · #8 |
What about an engine in a old machine...although they need a magneto to produce a spark, they cannot be considered to be electronic. An internal combustion engine cannot function without a means of ignition spark...does this mean an old two stroke engine would be classed as Electronic?? Surely not!
An old diesel engine doesn't require a spark to run, just a windy handle does it. Is the challenge going to be this precise? |
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12/22/2004 12:04:59 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Formerlee:
What about an engine in a old machine...although they need a magneto to produce a spark, they cannot be considered to be electronic. An internal combustion engine cannot function without a means of ignition spark...does this mean an old two stroke engine would be classed as Electronic?? Surely not!
An old diesel engine doesn't require a spark to run, just a windy handle does it. Is the challenge going to be this precise? |
I agree 100% with you - this is pretty much the seed of my gripe: some things which are very much mechanical in nature and spirit are probably not a good idea to enter because of the description. To my mind, "non-electronic" has nothing whatsoever to do with a mechanical object. Some use electronics, some don't, some use electricity, some don't - the exclusion of electronics is - in my humble opinion - a needless and confusing limitation. |
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12/22/2004 12:08:20 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Nelzie:
Are "Solid State" controls considered 'Electronic'?
My understanding of 'Electronic' means having to do with transistors and the trappings of modern computer technology. An example would be an industrial laser, it utilizes several electronic components in order to function, whereas a Mechanical or Hyrdaulic Press (Depending upon model/age) will use Solid State switches that control the up and down motion. |
"Solid State" electronics consists of transistors and diodes arranged in a silicon die by chemical and electronic processes. Just a more sophisticated and complex electronics in a more compact form. But all this parsing of terminology will not gain a great scoring photo. I think I will keep it simple and obviously mechanical to achieve my typical mediocre score! |
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12/22/2004 12:09:08 PM · #11 |
| Don't overlook gas and steam to create movement without electricity and/or electronics. |
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12/22/2004 12:40:59 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by soup:
if it has wires odds are it is electric ;}
and it's a good bet if it's less than 50 yrs old it's also electronic.
purely mechanical - block and tackle, reel mower, fishing pole reel, bicycle, garden sheers.
i am betting there will be a lot of OLD watches, and clocks... |
i agree...but you have given me an idea - thanks!
Hmmm....Woody is a non-electronic mechanical man, right?
Message edited by author 2004-12-22 13:31:40.
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