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01/17/2005 10:56:19 PM · #1 |
Did anyone see the story about the 66 year old Romanian woman that just had a child?
It was obviously helped along with science.
Anyway she is 66 years old and single and thinks she can raise a child so went and got inseminated. I think that that is absolutly disgusting because this child WILL be an orthan in a few years.
Apparently the average age for a woman in Romania to live is 73 so that means that the child would be only 7 if that is when she dies.
Its just stupid and selfish to do this to a poor child.
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01/17/2005 10:58:28 PM · #2 |
hrmm...I can't help but to agree with you here. The child is definately going to miss out on a lot of things in life.
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01/17/2005 11:01:35 PM · #3 |
I saw something about that the other day and thought it was pretty sad for the child. If she wanted a child so bad, she should have went and adopted one that needed a home, rather than bring another one into the world that will end up being abandoned later.
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01/17/2005 11:03:07 PM · #4 |
//edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/01/16/romania.mother.ap/index.html
My parents had me late, although not that late. My mother died when i was only 2 (although she was only 47, but had me at 45) and my father died when I was 15 (he was 67).
I KNOW what it is like to have had this happen and I feel so bad for this child.
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01/17/2005 11:25:26 PM · #5 |
| Yeah, that thought crossed my mind as I watched the newscast as well. |
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01/18/2005 01:19:35 AM · #6 |
I'll agree that it isn't the best way to bring a child into the world, but it may not be all bad either. Lots of orphans have grown up and had wonderful lives, and many have made the world a better place just by being who they were.
You say that you're an orphan, right? Would you rather not have been born? Would the world be a better place without you in it? I think perhaps not.
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01/18/2005 01:45:11 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by micknewton:
I'll agree that it isn't the best way to bring a child into the world, but it may not be all bad either. Lots of orphans have grown up and had wonderful lives, and many have made the world a better place just by being who they were.
You say that you're an orphan, right? Would you rather not have been born? Would the world be a better place without you in it? I think perhaps not. |
I don't think my parents should have had me. My life has been really hard.
You don't bring people into the world if you know that you can not look after them. Sure some orthans have done good things, but most have struggled.
Its one of the hardest things in the world to grow up with out parents. You really do start to resent them for dying, because they did leave you.
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01/18/2005 02:57:57 AM · #8 |
hmm... I am not sure this is an easy issue to understand.
I don't think it is fair of us to judge that woman at all.
I agree that it is not the best thing for a child, to say the least. I don't think that a mother of such huge age difference could ever really understand her child (and vise versa).
Personally I also think that if it was so important for that woman to have a child, she could addopt an orphan and give him a warm home instead of having a kid of her own, who will grow to be an orphan.
Still, living the life that we do, I don't think we can judge anyone who feels so ready to be a mother that she would practically do anything to make that happen. We don't know anything about her. Maybe she has the means to give this child a loving and warm home even after she is gone? Maybe she will live to the age of 100? there are so many maybe's here, and at the bottom of it - the kid already exists.
And to be honest? I think that a kid that grows in a very low economic status with 12 more sisters and brothers, will probably have much harder life then this kid ever will.
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01/18/2005 03:11:58 AM · #9 |
What about children that are born to young parents and they planned everything for their children from the start to live the best life. College funds, nice clothing, every toy produced, best all around and suddenly an accident occurs where the parents die. The kids are left without parents. We cant stop fate. Everything has a reason. Everyone has their time and places to be already mapped out before being born.
Miracles can happen and you can make miracles happen by not giving up and keep in good faith:)
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01/18/2005 03:43:39 AM · #10 |
Sure people do have accidents, and die on their kids. These things happen, but realistically this woman will not be there for this child. The odds that she would live to be 100 would be a few million to one.
I just know what its like to have both your parents die on you at a young age. It is the hardest thing in the world. It effects you in so many ways.
I had to grow up a lot earlier than I wanted too and by 16 I was living off government benefits of only $200 a fornight, while also trying to put myself through school.
I can tell you that $200 a fornight does not go very far in this world (and in this country). It doesn't cover anyway.
I would never have a child if I knew that I wasn't always going to be there for them. A child is an 18 year commitment at the very least. And you don't have a child for selfish reasons. You have to want your child (which she clearly does) but you also have to be willing to do anything for that kid to give it a good life.
Its a really tough thing to grow up and never remember your own mother, not what she looked like or how she acted or just anything about her. Also not having that, it can be hard to form normal bonds with people, because the people that teach you that are your parents.
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01/18/2005 04:18:49 AM · #11 |
bad idea
Message edited by author 2005-01-18 06:56:05. |
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01/18/2005 04:50:07 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by loz1:
Did anyone see the story about the 66 year old Romanian woman that just had a child?
It was obviously helped along with science.
Anyway she is 66 years old and single and thinks she can raise a child so went and got inseminated. I think that that is absolutly disgusting because this child WILL be an orthan in a few years.
Apparently the average age for a woman in Romania to live is 73 so that means that the child would be only 7 if that is when she dies.
Its just stupid and selfish to do this to a poor child. |
Totally agree with you, Loretta! |
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01/18/2005 05:28:53 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by tolovemoon:
What about children that are born to young parents and they planned everything for their children from the start to live the best life. College funds, nice clothing, every toy produced, best all around and suddenly an accident occurs where the parents die. The kids are left without parents. We cant stop fate. Everything has a reason. Everyone has their time and places to be already mapped out before being born.
Miracles can happen and you can make miracles happen by not giving up and keep in good faith:) |
The difference in the hypothetical case you've described (young couple, killed in an accident) and the mother who deliberately underwent fertility treatment in her late sixties is the odds of their survival.
It's actually LIKELY that this elderly mother will pass away when her kid is still young. Unless she has some secret elixir of life or is in unbelievably better health than her peers, she's unlikely to be around to see her child reach adulthood.
With the young couple, it was clearly LIKELY that they would have long happy lives like the majority of people their age and in their situation.
The difference is that they could never have known what would happen to them when they followed the instinctive impulse to have a family.
She KNEW the odds of her surviving the child's childhood were slim from the start.
Message edited by author 2005-01-18 05:29:33.
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01/18/2005 05:35:50 AM · #14 |
Ok... Everybody is talking about the moral aspect of this. I want to know more about the biological aspect... I mean... How is it possible that... hum... I mean 66 years old... Aren't the... huh... ovarys... hum... I mean menopose... Hum... Hum... How is this possible?
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01/18/2005 05:41:31 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by grandmarginal:
Ok... Everybody is talking about the moral aspect of this. I want to know more about the biological aspect... I mean... How is it possible that... hum... I mean 66 years old... Aren't the... huh... ovarys... hum... I mean menopose... Hum... Hum... How is this possible? |
She is not the biological mother, she had donner eggs and sperm inseminated into her.
Its still an amazing thing though. I have never had kids but I would imagine it would take a hell of a lot of strength to bring a healthy baby into this world. A lot of older mothers have serious health problems, and that can happen to people in their 40's.
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01/18/2005 05:51:34 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by loz1:
She is not the biological mother, she had donner eggs and sperm inseminated into her. |
Thanks for the input! Now that we covered the "How?" let's get back to the "Why?"
I don't get either... I think it's irresponsible. Not only was she putting her own helth at risk, but the baby's health as well. Lots of things could have gone wrong... And I have no congradulations for the medical staff who performed this either...
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01/18/2005 05:52:59 AM · #17 |
But who knows what the future will bring, like the following that has done the rounds on the internet:
Consider,
The father is sick with syphilis, the mother has TB. They have 4 children 1st is blind, 2nd is dead, 3rd is deaf, 4th has TB.
She finds she's pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, do you think it's wrong?
The 5th child was born, he was Ludwig van Beethoven
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01/18/2005 06:01:56 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by colda:
But who knows what the future will bring, like the following that has done the rounds on the internet:
Consider,
The father is sick with syphilis, the mother has TB. They have 4 children 1st is blind, 2nd is dead, 3rd is deaf, 4th has TB.
She finds she's pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, do you think it's wrong?
The 5th child was born, he was Ludwig van Beethoven |
Interesting fact... But back then, contraception was not what it is today... And back then they didn't necessarily have kids because they wanted to have kids... But, you're right! Thank god they kept trying... A Clockwork Orange wouldn't be what it is today without Ludwig Van!
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01/18/2005 08:17:33 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by colda:
But who knows what the future will bring, like the following that has done the rounds on the internet:
Consider,
The father is sick with syphilis, the mother has TB. They have 4 children 1st is blind, 2nd is dead, 3rd is deaf, 4th has TB.
She finds she's pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, do you think it's wrong?
The 5th child was born, he was Ludwig van Beethoven |
I hate the implications of this cute little story...as if the other screwed up sick kids were worth it because of Ludwig. Had the 5th one been born mute would the story end in tragedy?
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01/18/2005 08:26:49 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by colda:
But who knows what the future will bring, like the following that has done the rounds on the internet:
Consider,
The father is sick with syphilis, the mother has TB. They have 4 children 1st is blind, 2nd is dead, 3rd is deaf, 4th has TB.
She finds she's pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, do you think it's wrong?
The 5th child was born, he was Ludwig van Beethoven |
I hate the implications of this cute little story...as if the other screwed up sick kids were worth it because of Ludwig. Had the 5th one been born mute would the story end in tragedy? |
OK, I was trying to keep myself from getting attached to this thread. I was a mistake, my mother was from a catholic family and my father a local undesirable, sometime in the late 1970's a young couple prolly out of their faces on acid created me. As an utter embarresment to the family the girl was sent away, cutting the story short as result of a business partnership I was born and adopted (not 100% legally).
If my mother had not have been so 'stupid' then I would not be here (fortunatly abortion was not an option for them).
I'm rather happy to be alive, despite not having the most ideal start (and a few complications along the way).
Life is a precious gift and should be respected.
Darren
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01/18/2005 08:13:07 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by grandmarginal:
Originally posted by colda:
But who knows what the future will bring, like the following that has done the rounds on the internet:
Consider,
The father is sick with syphilis, the mother has TB. They have 4 children 1st is blind, 2nd is dead, 3rd is deaf, 4th has TB.
She finds she's pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, do you think it's wrong?
The 5th child was born, he was Ludwig van Beethoven |
Interesting fact... But back then, contraception was not what it is today... And back then they didn't necessarily have kids because they wanted to have kids... But, you're right! Thank god they kept trying... A Clockwork Orange wouldn't be what it is today without Ludwig Van! |
Speaking of A Clockwork Orange, in the scene near the end of the movie where Alex is locked in the upstairs bedroom being tormented by the scherzo of Beethoven's 9th symphony coming up through the floor, Mr. Alexander is shown sitting in his wheelchair 'conducting' the symphony and thoroughly enjoying his revenge. In that scene he looks remarkably like Beethoven himself. A magnificent bit of acting by Patrick McGee. |
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01/19/2005 03:07:37 AM · #22 |
I dont see what is so wrong about this. I dont like the idea of science there as much. But then again if it wasnt for these types of studies and science will they be able to find cures or figure out things what will keep us alive and healthier longer. I personally will not judge anyone for who they are and what they do as long as they arent killing another person or they are not a threat to anyone. We are dealt with many situations in life some have it like a silver spoon in thier mouth and others are dirt poor. Some have so many family members and some have 0! Ya know its all in how ya make of your life and if this lady wants to be a mom as old she is then I am sure shes making the best of it. Ever think about the abused kids? Ever think about kids abandoned? Atleast the child born to this elder lady (there are records of older women having babies) will have a chance and possibly be loved.
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01/19/2005 03:27:15 AM · #23 |
i dont' think anyone mentioned the fact that the twin was stillborn.
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01/19/2005 04:08:58 AM · #24 |
I know about a similar case. I used to be a catholic sunday school "teacher", and there was this boy with extreme behaviour problems. We asked the lady in charge and she told us his mother was diagnosed with cancer and told she would pass away in 1-2 years. She decided that she did not want to live without experiencing the joy of being a mother, so she hired a fella to get her pregnant, she had the child and died when her son was almost 2. The child was left orphan, and went to live with his grandparents, who were old anyway.
I feel it is not my role to judge but I think adopting somebody would have been better, at least for the Romanian woman. Although the child would probably end up an orphan again, which could be really traumatic as well...
Message edited by author 2005-01-19 04:11:40. |
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01/19/2005 09:09:32 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by delicatessen:
Although the child would probably end up an orphan again, which could be really traumatic as well... |
This is a good point as well.
I guess there are no easy answers to this.
I am not happy with the story, but who am I? I make decisions, she makes decisions, others make their own.
On a side note... wasn't Beetoven deaf too?
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