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 09/09/2002 10:58:56 PM · #26
Originally posted by rls_2002:
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Is this an example of negative space ?

Neg Space


I don't see a wow in this photo. Maybe I will be to critical come judging time. Hmmm...am I the only one?

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 09/10/2002 12:48:41 AM · #27
Originally posted by rls_2002:

Is this an example of negative space ?

Neg Space

I think it's a very good example of "negative space". The bird is the only "positive space" in this photo, the rest is dominated by the "negative space" of the sky. I can immediately see the statement in this photo: The bird's freedom in the vast open sky. In my opinion, it's quite a dramatic and effective use of the compositional technique.

That is all "negative space vs. positive space" really is; another compositional element for the photographer to tweak.

 09/10/2002 01:49:32 AM · #28
I think a clarification is necessary. A shot of something (anything) in the midst of lots of nothingness (i.e., sky, black, etc.) does not necessarily make good use of negative space. The really good negative space photos (or other art) are the ones where the negative space is as important structurally to the image as the positive space.

For instance, this controversial submission(Childhood Spent Locked in Closet, Rays of Hope) to Childhood without Children makes excellent use of negative space. In this image, the light is the positive space, the dark the negative. The dark actually defines this image -- it shapes the door frame which is what makes the light interesting.

Putting a whole bunch of superfluous space around your subject does not necessarily accomplish anything. You need to look for ways to make the space around your subject(s) stand out as much as the or more than the subjects themselves.

This is a classic example of negative space being well used. (Sorry for the crappy copy; I didn't have this handy; had to search.) It is at first glance just an image of a vase, but if you look closer, it is carefully framed so that the space around the vase forms two faces.

Likewise, MC Escher's work (though not photography) often makes similar use of negative space. One example of Escher's.

In these second two examples, it happens that the negative space creates an image of it's own, which it not necessary, but which certainly makes it superb.

So, I wanted to clarify and it's late -- I'm not forming sentences clearly. I think I've muddied the waters, but look at the images and see if you get what I'm driving at.

Dawn
 09/10/2002 02:17:13 AM · #29
Another.
 09/10/2002 07:14:28 AM · #30
Now that's what I would call a "WOW" shot!!
 09/10/2002 07:17:50 AM · #31
Using escher asmples (thenks Dawn) I think in those cases ... it's obvious. the negative space is in that case = to the positive space in term of value/surface/shape everything .. almost .. it's not there anymore as it becomes the 'object' as well ...

So we are going to have a lot of outtakes discussion .. and we ahve the usual question ... how people not reading the forums, not knowing anything about negative space (like me), not having taken 'art classes' (like me) are going to vote ?

Maybe this is the week where we should not care about the score (riiiiigght) but people who will put a lot of efforts in their pictures might be disapointed then ....

This challenge is using a 'technical term' but that term is a 'concept' only and it looks like we have problems to define it in term of photography.
Or maybe we put too much meaning into it.
Thanks Dawn
 09/10/2002 09:48:43 PM · #32
I know I'm being 'self serving' as John says but how do ya'll like this visual pun on Negitive Space?

Negitive of Negitive space.
 09/10/2002 10:33:30 PM · #33
Originally posted by aelith:
I know I'm being 'self serving' as John says but how do ya'll like this visual pun on Negitive Space?

Negitive of Negitive space.

Would the overflow contents of a closet spilling out on the floor qualify as negative space?
 09/10/2002 11:48:19 PM · #34
Do 2 negative photos make a positive photo?
 09/10/2002 11:57:17 PM · #35
Well here's the positive. a piece of rusted metal hanging on a plaster wall.

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 09/11/2002 12:28:14 AM · #36
some people would consider anyplace I write to be negative space.
 09/11/2002 04:42:32 AM · #37
Does this image qualify for negative space?

//www.pbase.com/image/4614777

Any comments/feedbacks are highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

Eric Cheah
 09/11/2002 11:19:05 PM · #38
I think it is a good image to portray negative space, but what do I know. What does everyone else think?


Originally posted by roon2c:
Does this image qualify for negative space?

Any comments/feedbacks are highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

Eric Cheah


negative space
 09/11/2002 11:57:42 PM · #39
I don't think so. It would seem to me that the positive space (the flames, etc) is affecting the negative space (the darkness) much more than the other way around.
 09/12/2002 12:07:25 AM · #40
The darkness accentuates that flames, so I would say it is, but this would obviously be controversial.
 09/12/2002 12:31:58 AM · #41
I would disagree. The picture looks too dark, which detracts from the impact the "negative space" should have.
 09/12/2002 01:28:28 AM · #42
I don't find the factory explosion a good example of where the negative space makes the picture. The picture would have been just as fine maybe better if there had been just the factory and the flames. So, the dark sky is not really necessary to define the image and the sky itself is not in and of itself an "interesting" shape as such. It's the positive shape here that makes the picture and the effect.

Then again, when voting, I really don't want to sit behind my monitor and yell out Wow 200 times.
 09/12/2002 01:44:07 AM · #43
I am really enjoying this challenge. I drafted a few very clear ideas right at the beginning and already I have quite a few shots to play with in deciding which to enter (and a few more to shoot if I find the right locations).

It will be very interesting to see whether my ideas (and my execution) are enjoyed by the voters.
 09/12/2002 02:14:28 AM · #44
can i ask for an opinion? would this be a good shot to submit??? its nothing special but so far its all that i could come up with:


dawn over a small mountain
 09/12/2002 02:39:55 AM · #45
Originally posted by a1leyez0nm3:
can i ask for an opinion? would this be a good shot to submit??? its nothing special but so far its all that i could come up with:


dawn over a small mountain


sorry - i get this


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09/12/2002 03:16:56 AM · #46
Originally posted by spiderman:
sorry - i get this

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Try this, I guess this is what it should be:
dawn over a small mountain

(I've finally figured out how Webshots works!!)

It's a nice photo. I think it should qualify as Negative Space, it does to me anyway.

Cheers,

Tim

* This message has been edited by the author on 9/12/2002 3:15:46 AM.
 09/12/2002 03:48:22 AM · #47
I'm getting a horrible feeling that voters are going to be harder on the Negative Space challenge than they were on Candid! And that's saying something.
 09/12/2002 04:38:16 AM · #48
Originally posted by lisae:
I'm getting a horrible feeling that voters are going to be harder on the Negative Space challenge than they were on Candid! And that's saying something.


I think the main problems with candid were two-fold:
1. was the subject capable of posing?
2. is it at all possible that the shot was set-up or posed (even if it actually wasn't)?

If the answers weren't yes and no then many photos got voted down.

I'm not sure how the voting will go for Negative Space. What questions will people ask of the photos?
- Is the subject powerful enough in it's own right?
- Does the negative space add anything?
- Is the distinction between positive and negative space clear?

And another question many people seem to ask themselves:
- Do I care or will I vote everything down just to make my photo look better?

Cheers,

Tim
 09/12/2002 06:33:22 AM · #49
09/12/2002 07:21:41 AM · #50
Would like to have entered thisbut it isn't digital and is two years old - free diving in Cyprus on holiday.

Hold on, if I took a digital shot of the slide today would that count?

Didn't think so :-)
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