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04/05/2005 07:26:21 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by rscorp:
I love how these posts always get so complicated. I think what the original message was is that there seems to be a trend to not only use this particular tool, but to D&B the ever-loving CRAP out of everything.
I love D&B, wish I could do it better, and think it saves some photos, enhances others, and in the hand of someone competent can create a really great work of art. But there comes a point, like everything else, when it can be over-done and the resulting photo looks just plane nuts. That's what the author of the thread was pointing out I think...just that it's not necessary to use that tool for 6 hours on every photo you take. |
Good post Rscorp. I think you are right. I guess there is nothing wrong with Dodging or burning its a matter of taste. Just don't OVER DO IT. I learned how to use the Gimp, it took me months but I got most of it locked down and I usually choose to never use it. I am almost afraid to tamper with some of my photos. However, my Free Study Submission is heavily edited, and I originally submitted it without any editing and I still don't know which I like better. |
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04/05/2005 08:12:49 PM · #77 |
Even though some of the posters don't agree with my ideas, I am very pleased that this discussion is taking place. There are always going to be examples of over use of editing techniques and tools on a learning site. But we don't have to so politically correct that we don't point it out when we see an example of overuse. We can do this with our comments, as I did a few times in Cemetery, and we do it with our votes. I don't mind seeing the over done entries, and it doesn't bother me too much when my comments are not marked as helpful. It's much more trubling to see the over done ones get very high finishes and then look at the comments and not find anything critical of the over used technique. Educate the voters to object to the ones that have gone too far.
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04/05/2005 08:15:01 PM · #78 |
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Message edited by author 2005-04-05 21:13:04.
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04/05/2005 08:26:36 PM · #79 |
I agree that the we should try to point out through our comments the images that we feel are over-edited. The problem is that even though all of us may agree that over-edited images exist trying to form an absolute agreement on which ones those are is impossible. We have too many different ideas of what constitutes over-editing. I see it as a slight problem without a solution.
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04/05/2005 08:55:08 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by eggv:
Yeah anyway!! Thanks a lot Pedro! See what you've done with your excellent tutorial on Dodging and Burning? :) |
Pedro...that bastard!!! I didn't realize this was ALL his fault.
heheheheheheheheheh
Funny analogy about the overly played out commercial...kinda like the Dell Guy. Not bad the first three times(to me, at least) but the next 2 gazillion times. Sheesh! "Dude...yer gettin good at Dodgin N Burnin"
I have no issue with D&B per se (it did make for a bold metaphor however)but those pix where it looks like God is going to pop out of the sky at any moment and plant a big kiss on your lips has gotta go. NOT WITH MORE RULES I should add but with a simple respect and appreciation for basic technique. Good, basic technique is far harder to master than respectable D&B skills.
Some images are looking just way too fake and seem to be garnering the most attention and popularity. Not always of course but do I hope that that type of processing doesn't overtake the world and become the norm for what's good and what's not good.
Again, respect the basics. Do not lose or forget how to appreciate their value. That's basically it.
All for now...
One more thing:If we try to discuss individual photo's this thread WILL NEVER DIE. Big Can O Worms, there. I made a point not to pick anything too specific out as that might be offensive across the board but I think there's a general consensus about things.
Message edited by author 2005-04-05 20:59:42. |
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04/05/2005 08:57:48 PM · #81 |
This debate is going around and around in circles because no one is being specific.
Let's have some examples....What is too much? What does "overdone" look like?
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04/05/2005 09:02:51 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by sfboatright:
This debate is going around and around in circles because no one is being specific.
Let's have some examples....What is too much? What does "overdone" look like? |
One more thing:If we try to discuss individual photo's this thread WILL NEVER DIE. Big Can O Worms, there. I made a point not to pick anything too specific out as that might be offensive across the board but I think there's a general consensus about things.
Personally I don't want to pick on anybody or any image. This whole discussion can rest easily in the "Ideal Realm" and be equally as poignant. |
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04/05/2005 10:42:20 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
I have no issue with D&B per se (it did make for a bold metaphor however)but those pix where it looks like God is going to pop out of the sky at any moment and plant a big kiss on your lips has gotta go. NOT WITH MORE RULES I should add but with a simple respect and appreciation for basic technique. Good, basic technique is far harder to master than respectable D&B skills. |
if your main problem with D&B is the fact that it's being overused to the point of becoming cliche, then it should take a number. there are about 800 other "cliches" that are running around this site that need to be eliminated first. you all know what i'm talking about... :-)
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04/05/2005 10:58:50 PM · #84 |
I believe we have finally come to the point where we can agree to disagree. Based on all the comments in this thread, it is apparent that D&B is a totally subjective technique. There really is no technical basis for using it because everyone has their own opinion of what is too much. There will never be a hard, fast, rule that dictates the use of D&B.
But hey, this sure is a great thread. This has been a fantastic opportunity to peer into some or your minds (just by the comments you make). If you really sit back and read these posts, you can begin to see the thought process people are using to create their photos/artwork. And that's what makes this a great forum. The diversity among us all is outstanding.
-RCB
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