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 05/01/2005 11:16:50 AM · #1
How do you feel about a straight out of the camera challenge ? The only editing allowed would be to reduce the image size down to 640x and 150k or less jpg. This would mean no cropping so we would have to be especially aware of composition at the time the picture was taken. Anything that can be achieved in the camera is permissible except double exposure.

It would not be a free study, DPC would come up with the theme and the picture would have to be taken during the set time period.

Any comments / thoughts?
05/01/2005 11:21:29 AM · #2
I belive this is the 600'th thread on this subject and usually you get the same answer :)

dSLR's don't return images as saturated and sharpened as for instance a Sony f828. So the advantage for who has the best suiting camera does too much.

So I don't see a reason for this kind of challenge :)

Basic editing is bad enough :P
 05/01/2005 11:26:03 AM · #3
Originally posted by Bolti:
I belive this is the 600'th thread on this subject and usually you get the same answer :)

dSLR's don't return images as saturated and sharpened as for instance a Sony f828. So the advantage for who has the best suiting camera does too much.

So I don't see a reason for this kind of challenge :)

Basic editing is bad enough :P


In regular challenges dSLR users have an advantage over most Point and Shoot and prosumer cameras so what's the difference. Just asking. Both sides have there weakness and strengths.
 05/01/2005 11:32:23 AM · #4
This is as it came out of the camera... and from my perspective... it's not too bad. It might not be a winner... but I do really like it, and I would not have hesitated to enter it into any challenge.



Ray :O)
 05/01/2005 11:35:43 AM · #5
thar's how most of entries are any ways...
 05/01/2005 12:03:51 PM · #6
You'd have to add to the rules "rotation of 90 degrees allowed for portrait-format shots" or somesuch. And the dSLR people have menu controls allowing them to sharpen and saturate their images, so it's not really a liability for them as someone mentioned. It's the same in the prosumer world. The point and shoot people can't do RAW, but as far as I know every higher-end digital camera allows point and shoot type image enhancement in camera.

Robt.
 05/01/2005 12:13:58 PM · #7
Originally posted by SDW65:
How do you feel about a straight out of the camera challenge ? The only editing allowed would be to reduce the image size down to 640x and 150k or less jpg. This would mean no cropping so we would have to be especially aware of composition at the time the picture was taken. Anything that can be achieved in the camera is permissible except double exposure.

It would not be a free study, DPC would come up with the theme and the picture would have to be taken during the set time period.

Any comments / thoughts?

i second that
 05/01/2005 12:20:20 PM · #8
The wonderful thing about raw is...

Before you enter it into your "digital darkroom" You can go and change exposure time, saturation, contrast, sharpness, etc etc etc.

It effects the image and I believe it effects the exif info as well. I know that if I mess with an image prior, it will always retain that info unless I change it back to the original.
 05/01/2005 02:17:50 PM · #9
Originally posted by Bolti:
I belive this is the 600'th thread on this subject and usually you get the same answer :)

We have in fact tried this in The Past.
 05/01/2005 02:29:37 PM · #10
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Bolti:
I belive this is the 600'th thread on this subject and usually you get the same answer :)

We have in fact tried this in The Past.


Yes is see. Looks like a successful challenge. And one note; 4 of the 6 top ten's was dSLR's and I believe there were far less dSLR owner back August 2003 than they are now. So I believe it could and would be a very competitive challenge.

Message edited by author 2005-05-01 14:30:34.
 05/01/2005 02:38:47 PM · #11
Originally posted by SDW65:
Yes is see. Looks like a successful challenge. And one note; 4 of the 6 top ten's was dSLR's and I believe there were far less dSLR owner back August 2003 than they are now. So I believe it could and would be a very competitive challenge.

No one disputes any of that. In fact, one of (what I consider) my best challenge photos was taken for that, with a point-and-shoot -- I disagree that DSLRs are at any disadvantage; they can be set up to work just like hi-res P&S cameras.

This just happens to be one suggestion the admins have chosen not to implement again up until now.
 05/01/2005 03:23:01 PM · #12
Disallowing cropping in postprocessing is another pointless thing, as many cameras allow you to crop in-camera.
 05/01/2005 03:30:39 PM · #13
Originally posted by SDW65:
...Both sides have there weakness and strengths.


Don't kid yourself on this one...I could easily emulate a P&S with my 20D but it is much harder to go the other way.

05/01/2005 04:59:40 PM · #14
I think we need to have both extremes on a REGULAR basis, perhaps once a month each for:

A) NO editing (only orientation and resizing)

B) NO rules - edit to your heart's content
 05/01/2005 05:05:35 PM · #15
Originally posted by awpollard:
Originally posted by SDW65:
...Both sides have there weakness and strengths.


Don't kid yourself on this one...I could easily emulate a P&S with my 20D but it is much harder to go the other way.


Lol, best arguement i've heard so far :-)
 05/01/2005 05:09:28 PM · #16
On a more serious note... whats the point of a straight out of the camera challenge??? Are you competing to see who has the best camera?

I personally think that this is a really pointless exercise in restrictions.
05/01/2005 05:15:06 PM · #17
As someone who is exposurelly challenged, I actually found it to be more of a challenge than a regular challenge -- even basic editing, because i can adjust brightness/contrast/exposure with that.

It really is not pointless. It forces the photographer to be very much aware of composition, exposure, color, . I found after this challenge I was more aware of these things, and required less post processing in some ways.

Of course, I'm probably biased because that is the challenge one of my ribbons came from
05/01/2005 05:36:51 PM · #18
So many threads come up asking for this, so it seems like a popular idea, but every time I have to say that I really would be against it, as I like to use minimum sharpening, saturation and contrast which looks terrible straight out of the camera. I hate the thought of some great shots being taken though with better straight-out-of-the-camera settings, as the overall quality is MUCH worse.
 05/01/2005 05:55:48 PM · #19
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
So many threads come up asking for this, so it seems like a popular idea, but every time I have to say that I really would be against it, as I like to use minimum sharpening, saturation and contrast which looks terrible straight out of the camera. I hate the thought of some great shots being taken though with better straight-out-of-the-camera settings, as the overall quality is MUCH worse.


But if we had one of each challenge per month, then you don't have to enter the one you don't like. There are people on BOTH sides of this fence.
 05/01/2005 05:59:26 PM · #20
Originally posted by GeneralE:
This just happens to be one suggestion the admins have chosen not to implement again up until now.


Originally posted by Beetle:
There are people on BOTH sides of this fence.

Both sides of the fence:

"The squeaky wheel gets the grease."

"You nag, we lag."

Based on empirical results I'd have to say that the latter view is holding sway for now ...
 05/01/2005 06:02:24 PM · #21
Besides being a drag to vote on I think there would be 80% request for DQ. If you took a sharp shot everyone would think you used sharpen and on and on..
 05/01/2005 06:06:59 PM · #22
Justine, that was a good point re the DQ requests.

General, that was incredibly mean of you, thanks a lot.
 05/01/2005 06:10:50 PM · #23
Originally posted by nico_blue:
On a more serious note... whats the point of a straight out of the camera challenge??? Are you competing to see who has the best camera?
More likeley it's a challenge to see who has the best eye. A lot of post editing is taking out things you don't want, i.e. cropping, burning, dodging. In a challenge like this it's all about the set up, eye, and a healthy dose of luck.
 05/01/2005 06:20:42 PM · #24
Originally posted by Jewellian:
A lot of post editing is taking out things you don't want, i.e. cropping, burning, dodging. In a challenge like this it's all about the set up, eye, and a healthy dose of luck.


I'm not so sure about the luck..
composition should be thought out in advance, and not expecting post editing to re-crop everytime.
and most people take a number of shots so will cjose the one which best meets their vision.....

However as far as an out of the camera challenge, I have some concerns about this.
I have a point and shoot, which produces the best out of Camera colour, brightness and contrast when there are very high light levels.

on reletively cloudy days, I get dull lifeless pictures, no matter what white balance I use. Therfore I have to use Photoshop to lift the pictures...
 05/01/2005 06:25:35 PM · #25
Originally posted by Beetle:
Justine, that was a good point re the DQ requests.

General, that was incredibly mean of you, thanks a lot.

Sorry, supposed to be both funny and true ... really. This topic has been suggested over and over, and the admins have chosen not to schedule one. I have no more influence over what challenge topics actually get scheduled than you do.

I don't care for the feeling I get sometimes when reading one of these threads that we (DPC) are somehow derelict in our duty in not scheduling this ... I have no argument with any of the reasons for having one, but that doesn't mean the admins have to do it.

Message edited by author 2005-05-01 18:28:07.
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