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05/25/2005 12:05:54 PM · #1 |
First of all congrats for the blue! I was a wonderfull picture. But it puzzles me somehow.
 - blue ribbon
 - 164th place - my entry
What's so different for them to placed so far away from eachother, on the rank!? The apple in my pic is not out of focus, and it clearly is an apple (I mean c'mon). I'm not judgin' the quality of the winning pic, but it ain't that different, for mine to be placed at the 164th position, while all other splash type of shots are at the top of the rank, and the very same kind of shot to get a blue ribbon! Am I screaming (hey I'm scuds and all my shots suck?)
Even with a winning type of shot I'm doing baaaad. I guess it's the new camera, I should go back to the good old little sony W1, LoL!.
Sorry guys just needed to let it out......
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05/25/2005 12:12:39 PM · #2 |
I personally like the clarity of the apple in the winning shot. I like the green tones that is behind it and the deliberate water that is caught.
Yours was nice, but (covering my head from the beating)... the apple is distored, and isn't as clear as the winning shot's... and the black background didn't do anything for me.
You did better then me! I like the idea, and it's not a horrid shot at all.
Keep up the creativity. |
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05/25/2005 12:14:38 PM · #3 |
First impressions:
The winning photo is crystal clear. There is a lot of visible detail in the apple.
In yours, though a great attempt at this type of shot, appears to be out of focus and it's hard to tell what the focus point actually is.
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05/25/2005 12:18:06 PM · #4 |
Like one of the commenters said, your entry doesn't look very like an apple. If I didn't know it was an apple, I'd think it looks like a flower.
I think, in general, voters/viewers tend to enjoy a photo more if they can readily make out the subject. This photo is heading into abstract territory. I'm guessing the title didn't do you any favours either!
The lighting you've used makes the subject and splash very harsh against the black background.
On the upside, the photo is interesting and creatively achieved. |
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05/25/2005 12:20:50 PM · #5 |
If it makes you feel better, I scored both shots a 5.
I'm pretty sure the DPC public triggered on the following elements, however:
Better color mixtures on the ribbon winner
A more clearly defined apple on the ribbon winner (don't make voters have to think about what they see -- you'll tank).
A better water effect on the ribbon winner. Your splash droplets come out as little white dots, whereas the ribbon effect has a clearly defined shape. |
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05/25/2005 12:23:02 PM · #6 |
I actually like both shots equally, pretty much. I found the horizontal lines in the green background of the ribbon winner a bit of a distraction, and rather like the more surrealist capture of the 164th place entry. One thing that's really impressive, though, about the ribbon winner is the quality of the splash and the air being "expelled" by the dropped apple. I kinda thought that had the shot been turned 180 degrees, it could have been titled "lift off" or "blast off" and been a really cool image as well.
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05/25/2005 12:23:04 PM · #7 |
Your shot has less features and detail in the apple. The background is dark, with some very bright light on the splash droplets, creating a high contrast between bkg and drops. The crop is closer, so it is a snapshot of the apple, but no motion is portrayed.
In the winning shot, the apple is very clearly defined, the green tones in the background are appealing, the motion trail through the water tells a story (so to speak), and the motion trail itself has lots of crisp detail and interesting form, with no blown highlights.
Your shot is good, but I would classify the winning shot as great.
No offense intended, just giving honest feedback.
JD
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05/25/2005 12:24:41 PM · #8 |
Since we're comparing apples to apples...Sorry, couldn't resist.
I'd have to agree with the general concensus here.
Message edited by author 2005-05-25 12:29:43. |
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05/25/2005 12:25:43 PM · #9 |
First off, your photo was taken from a much different perspective. They are two very different compositions. One is an apple with a underwater trail, the other is a apple and a splash. Also, color wise they are very different. You have a black background and a dull colored apple, which is mostly obscured by the water. The other photo has a more interesting background and a brightly colored, clearly visible apple.
The idea was similar, but the execution and final product was much different.
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05/25/2005 12:29:53 PM · #10 |
Just a small note - I thought yours looked like an onion gone mad.
I don't know why the other won but many people have already suggested why. |
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05/25/2005 12:38:12 PM · #11 |
#1: Different perspective (the winner had a much more visual perspective that captured the motion and feel of the plunge. It is akin to photographing a diver from above landing in the water (minimal interest) to photographing a diver via an underwater camera that gets the entire submersion (highly appealing angle).
#2: Color palette (your shot was dark and the colors all were toward the darker end of things. this prevents your shot from distinguishing it's characteristics. the winner on the other hand had large distinguishing variations in their color palette)
Don't be mad....you got focus, clarity achieved. You have a good example of how to improve. Go re-take it with what you learn.
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05/25/2005 12:41:14 PM · #12 |
Although I like the winning shot's clear view of the apple, your shot seems to be more exciting. But its more as if you captured the water and not the apple, which is the opposite in the winning shot.. The water is an element but the apple is the focal point.
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05/25/2005 01:07:59 PM · #13 |
| To me the second one looks a bit more like a feather, if I didn't know it was an apple I might have a harder time figuring out that it was an apple. |
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05/25/2005 01:08:33 PM · #14 |
Simple. The winner is from Iceland, you are not. Pretty simple really.
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05/25/2005 01:16:21 PM · #15 |
These images have several criteria to meet in order to hit pay dirt.
Let me give you an example: suppose you were asked to describe the shots verbally:
The winner: this image leads with an apple followed by a trail of bubbles and water movement. Looks almost like a meteor descending. This gives the image a very dynamic pull. On the technical side great care was taken to preserve the integrity or full properties of the apple.
The comparison: this requires a little study to ascertain that it is an apple. The apple appears to split. The water play distorts or interferes with the main body. Perhaps this angle was not the best to keep and maintain the definition of the apple.
On the visual side the winner is a distinct shot which delivers its message at once, while the comparison, although well done, requires scrutiny and here is where the novelty gets lost. The message is not as direct as that of the winner.
You must remember that these kind of shots require many takes to obtain maximum activity of both apple and water along with a dynamic composition. |
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05/25/2005 01:18:54 PM · #16 |
Well said Daniel= (graphicfunk).
I think you summed it up! |
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05/25/2005 01:51:26 PM · #17 |
Scuds, do you really not see a difference?
It's like comparing apples and oranges *snort*
..couldn't resist. |
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05/25/2005 02:15:55 PM · #18 |
If you look at the winning "formula" for these sorts of shots (and they are pretty common entries on DPC) three things stand out:
1. The "object" needs to be clearly visible and tack-sharp for the image to score well;
2. The path the object is traveling should be seen from the side, not from above or beneath (the object needs to be plunging "down", even if the finished result is rotated to look as if it's going a different direction);
3. The rendition of the fluid needs to be "plastic", not "particulate"; what's needed is a sense of viscosity penetrated.
I think these images fascinate people because they have such a sense of "detail revealed"; people love images that show them, in hyper-real detail and sharpness, something they cannot otherwise filly perceive.
So, technical consideratiuons of BG and sharpness and lighting aside, this is why Scuds' image finished so far down, and the other got a blue ribbon, IMO. The one's a shot of an apple, splashing. The other's a dissection of an instant in time, in fascinating detail.
To be honest, I'm getting bored with these. They are becoming entirely too common IMO. But, to be fair, it's the first time THIS person tried the technique, and he's certainly entitled to try it isn't he? So, I donno...
Either way it's a fine job he did.
Robt.
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05/25/2005 02:24:24 PM · #19 |
| IMO - the perspective from which the shot was taken. |
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05/25/2005 02:25:06 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by heatherd:
To me the second one looks a bit more like a feather, if I didn't know it was an apple I might have a harder time figuring out that it was an apple. |
Yeah it looks as if its opening up reacting to water like a feather or a flower might. All goes with the focus though.
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05/25/2005 03:41:48 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Alienyst:
IMO - the perspective from which the shot was taken. |
Wait up, do you really believe it was some sort of "water wall" and I threw the apple at it, from the side? that's what your message suggests to me. The apple is not clear, maybe, cz of the refraction, reflection or watever"ction". But, would I send a picture of a bunch of peas, for an "apple" challenge? No.... A tennis ball? got the idea...
I can take on the fact that my picture didn't do so well, as most of my pics do LoL, I just can't get the "I don't see an apple" kind of comment! If it was inserted into another type of challenge, I would totally agree with such comment......
It's starting to sound like I'm bragging about it....
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05/25/2005 03:44:06 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by scuds:
I can take on the fact that my picture didn't do so well, as most of my pics do LoL, I just can't get the "I don't see an apple" kind of comment! If it was inserted into another type of challenge, I would totally agree with such comment...... |
And yet, it just doesn't look like an apple. Nor is it in focus. That's why it scored so low...it's just a little unclear what it is at first or second glance. |
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05/25/2005 03:45:35 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by scuds:
Originally posted by Alienyst:
IMO - the perspective from which the shot was taken. |
Wait up, do you really believe it was some sort of "water wall" and I threw the apple at it, from the side? that's what your message suggests to me. The apple is not clear, maybe, cz of the refraction, reflection or watever"ction". But, would I send a picture of a bunch of peas, for an "apple" challenge? No.... A tennis ball? got the idea...
I can take on the fact that my picture didn't do so well, as most of my pics do LoL, I just can't get the "I don't see an apple" kind of comment! If it was inserted into another type of challenge, I would totally agree with such comment......
It's starting to sound like I'm bragging about it.... |
NO, people KNOW it's an apple 'cuz it's an "apple" challenge; their point is they want the applehood of the object to be more obvious, ALSO because it's an "apple" challenge, see?
R.
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05/25/2005 04:04:54 PM · #24 |
Your decision now, Scuds. You can continue to defend your shot, or take the great instructional comments, made here honestly and willingly by so many people, and use those comments to help make yourself a better photographer. We are all in this world to learn.
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05/25/2005 04:09:13 PM · #25 |
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I can take on the fact that my picture didn't do so well, as most of my pics do LoL,
I'm not picking on you..really.
However I don't think you really believe what your saying.
Put the ego aside and move on down the line ..the next challenge is waiting for your entry!! Go get them, show you can do better if that's your bag.
I do think in the long run shooting for yourself will make you happier.
Love your art! |
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