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06/27/2005 11:31:55 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by scuds:
Originally posted by neophyte:
Originally posted by papa:
So your point is that you didn't effectively communicate your vision of the challenge to a voting audience you know is "main stream" and "shallow"? I would agree. |
absolutely. My bad.....touche'. It still didn't deserve 2nd to last. (which is more my point) I'm Sorry you admit to being part of this "main stream and shallow group" I've looked at your profile and your work would lead me to believe otherwise. But from the horse's mouth...."There is a large contingent, which I am a part of," Your words... not mine. |
It really feels so bad huh!
If only ur shot, or mine was placed at the last position, I wouldn't feel so bad, so many ppl go after the "brown", and damn, not even that I can accomplish! LoL |
It's not that at all, What really upsets me is these people who make themselves the "Theme Police" At least Papa has the backbone to defend his position and I respectfully agree to disagree. but the narrow minded voters are and will continue to stifle the artistic spirit untill this site becomes sterile. Who knows how much damage they've done already.
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06/27/2005 11:46:03 AM · #27 |
The way I see things, if someone accepts to participate in a "public" competition, that person has to accept the outcome of that entry. That's what being "judged" is all about... not everyone gets to win and sometimes what you think is "great" can actualy be far less than great...and sometimes it can even suck. I don't know anyone who enters a challenge and says... "wow, I really entered a poor shot, I hope it does well"
as for the entry in question, I really don't think it deserves anything above a 3. poor lighting, no composition at all and if it has to be explained....I don't see that it fits the challenge. |
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06/27/2005 11:46:30 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by papa:
Nice spin!
The whole quote reads as follows: "There is a large contingent, which I am a part of, that feel your shot should stand on it's own without a title."
Sorry that it bothers you that I feel that the challenge is in the photography, not the title creation. I would love to see no titles at all and have voting simply on the merits of the photograph. Your title shouldn't be the deal-breaker as to whether someone "gets it". At least this is my opinion.
Please take no offense at my comments here. You can't always win. I have more misses than hits in my photography. Also, just because I have the ability to point out percieved problems in a shot or have a definite opinion about images, in no way means I could necessarily do better. Voters spend probably less than 10-15 seconds looking at each image. I no there are those out there that spend much more, and usually that's where the good, constructive comments come from. First impressions are everything in a shotgun voting approach like this.
Cheers! |
Nice try on a spin yourself. You've obviously spent more than fifteen seconds viewing my photo. sorry you didn't make the connection...In the end I can't change the results and realistically have no hopes of ever getting a ribbon. but I still believe second to last place was not deserved. Shotgun voting is no excuse to be narrow minded.
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06/27/2005 12:05:08 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Gil P:
The way I see things, if someone accepts to participate in a "public" competition, that person has to accept the outcome of that entry. That's what being "judged" is all about... not everyone gets to win and sometimes what you think is "great" can actualy be far less than great...and sometimes it can even suck. I don't know anyone who enters a challenge and says... "wow, I really entered a poor shot, I hope it does well"
as for the entry in question, I really don't think it deserves anything above a 3. poor lighting, no composition at all and if it has to be explained....I don't see that it fits the challenge. |
You must be really talented to give out 3s like that! I've given out less than ten threes and have commented on every one of them. I checked your portfolio........nice camera.....
Message edited by author 2005-06-27 12:18:18.
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06/27/2005 12:19:34 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by neophyte:
Originally posted by Gil P:
The way I see things, if someone accepts to participate in a "public" competition, that person has to accept the outcome of that entry. That's what being "judged" is all about... not everyone gets to win and sometimes what you think is "great" can actualy be far less than great...and sometimes it can even suck. I don't know anyone who enters a challenge and says... "wow, I really entered a poor shot, I hope it does well"
as for the entry in question, I really don't think it deserves anything above a 3. poor lighting, no composition at all and if it has to be explained....I don't see that it fits the challenge. |
You must be really talented to give out 3s like that! I've given out less than ten threes and have commented on every one of them. I checked your portfolio........ |
I don't see what "my" talent as to do with it, and it does not have to do with yours either, it has to do with this image and this image alone. |
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06/27/2005 12:23:24 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Gil P:
Originally posted by neophyte:
Originally posted by Gil P:
The way I see things, if someone accepts to participate in a "public" competition, that person has to accept the outcome of that entry. That's what being "judged" is all about... not everyone gets to win and sometimes what you think is "great" can actualy be far less than great...and sometimes it can even suck. I don't know anyone who enters a challenge and says... "wow, I really entered a poor shot, I hope it does well"
as for the entry in question, I really don't think it deserves anything above a 3. poor lighting, no composition at all and if it has to be explained....I don't see that it fits the challenge. |
You must be really talented to give out 3s like that! I've given out less than ten threes and have commented on every one of them. I checked your portfolio........ |
I don't see what "my" talent as to do with it, and it does not have to do with yours either, it has to do with this image and this image alone. |
Good thing....
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06/27/2005 12:27:09 PM · #32 |
How did I manage to spin my own quote to say exactly what I said in the first place?
Anyway, good exchange, nicely done. Hope we both do better next time. I still am trying to get time to find something obsolete! BTW, my metal score is not doing too bad at all, but definately hoped for better. The comments I have received have all been a great help. |
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06/27/2005 12:28:19 PM · #33 |
| how those this image, even vaguely, have anything to do with the Challenge TOPIC, I'm not asking why it does not meet the challenge but rather why/how did you feel that it did. |
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06/27/2005 12:33:22 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by neophyte:
You must be really talented to give out 3s like that! I've given out less than ten threes and have commented on every one of them. I checked your portfolio........nice camera..... |
Now you are judging... |
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06/27/2005 12:45:28 PM · #35 |
| Talk about spin on this thread |
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06/27/2005 01:05:14 PM · #36 |
ooops...wrong poster.
Message edited by author 2005-06-27 13:06:04. |
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06/27/2005 01:07:56 PM · #37 |
I didn't vote or partake in this challenge, but when I do vote, I follow the ."challenge rules which say:
"While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly."
That's not to say I will vote an image all the way down because I can't see a challenge connection, but I may knock off a couple of points for having no (in my opinion) link to the challenge. |
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06/27/2005 01:24:12 PM · #38 |
I find it hilarious that people argue over the score they received. The score and the placing you got was exactly what you deserved! DPC voters are not narrow minded, shallow, or what everâ€Â¦ They do not vote down artistic shots, shots with cats in them, or shots that have religious themes.
I am a DPC voter and every one reading this thread is probably a DPC voter. We all have different thoughts, ideas and opinions. Just because the results of the combined thoughts of everyone here does not match your thoughts, it does not mean everyone else is narrow or shallow. You are not the ultimate critique, you are not the only one that gets it, your opinion is not the only opinion that is right.
We vote on the image based on how much we like the image, how well we thought it was taken and how well it met the challenge. The voters get it right every time. There is no question about that. You may not agree with it, I may not agree with it, but that is the way it is.
When you get a bad score it is 100% your fault. Not the voters fault, not the trolls fault, and not the Challenge̢۪s fault for bad wording. Take responsibility for your own actions and don̢۪t try to blame everyone else or discredit their ability to vote.
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06/27/2005 01:28:28 PM · #39 |
I just read this whole thread.......and why?????????????????
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06/27/2005 01:45:16 PM · #40 |
| Well I have a great reason to be on this thread... first I am at work, second I am batching a huge folder of images and I have nothing better to do.... |
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06/27/2005 03:46:28 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by louddog:
I find it hilarious that people argue over the score they received. The score and the placing you got was exactly what you deserved! DPC voters are not narrow minded, shallow, or what everâ€Â¦ They do not vote down artistic shots, shots with cats in them, or shots that have religious themes.
I am a DPC voter and every one reading this thread is probably a DPC voter. We all have different thoughts, ideas and opinions. Just because the results of the combined thoughts of everyone here does not match your thoughts, it does not mean everyone else is narrow or shallow. You are not the ultimate critique, you are not the only one that gets it, your opinion is not the only opinion that is right.
We vote on the image based on how much we like the image, how well we thought it was taken and how well it met the challenge. The voters get it right every time. There is no question about that. You may not agree with it, I may not agree with it, but that is the way it is.
When you get a bad score it is 100% your fault. Not the voters fault, not the trolls fault, and not the Challenge̢۪s fault for bad wording. Take responsibility for your own actions and don̢۪t try to blame everyone else or discredit their ability to vote. |
I'm not blaming anyone but myself. I never have. You have a right to your opinion... But its a package deal, You have to accept people's reaction to your opinion.. a reaction to which I also have a right. I used to feel the same as you, eventually you may see my point of view. You don't seem to be a person without an opinion yourself, I find it hard to believe that you agree 100% with the voters everytime.. (Can you say baaaaaaa)
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06/27/2005 03:55:36 PM · #42 |
It's like mac 'n cheese. When my kid were growing up, they lived on the stuff. Right out of the box. It's all they wanted. Periodically I'd make from-scratch, first-rate, homemade mac 'n cheese to DIE for. They rejected it. Wouldn't touch it.
The kids are the voters, they vote for flavored orange goop over mushy noodles. Doesn't make that crap BETTER than my homemade; a preference, in and of itself, is not a value judgment. You;re never "wrong" in your preferences; they simply are.
Now they are grown, they won't touch the boxed stuff, and they beg me to make the other when they visit, the homemade version they once spurned. It was always "better", see, it just wasn't appreciated. And I always knew that, which is what really mattered.
Robt.
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06/27/2005 03:55:36 PM · #43 |
I'm not "Feeling Proud" of the results of this thread!
I vote 0 for it, as ppl just can't deal with some "whiners" such as me!
Burry it under some heavy rock and lets TAKE PHOTOS! Keep 'em challenges coming and lets all vote based "literally" on the description! :-D |
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06/27/2005 05:04:39 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by neophyte:
I'm not blaming anyone but myself. I never have. You have a right to your opinion... But its a package deal, You have to accept people's reaction to your opinion.. a reaction to which I also have a right. I used to feel the same as you, eventually you may see my point of view. You don't seem to be a person without an opinion yourself, I find it hard to believe that you agree 100% with the voters everytime.. (Can you say baaaaaaa) |
Actually I'd argue that if you put your photo up to be judged and asked for opinions, you really shouldn't argue with those opinions because it discourages people from being honest the next time. Take them and learn from them and be thankful you got an honest critique of your work. However that's just my opinion and I really don't have the energy to argue about it as it's 110 degrees outside and the AC in the hanger I'm in stopped working...
And honestly, I feel all my photos finished right about where they should. There are always a few above mine where I think I like mine better, but there are usually a few below mine that I'm shocked did worse then me.
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06/27/2005 05:39:31 PM · #45 |
I can give your whole arguement in reverse.... If you offer your opinion, you have placed in public view and are subject to questions about it. Its a two way street. I know I'm whining, but its about the relative finishing place not its overall score. I believe that the connection was a little complicated and the 4.1 was the price. There were other photos that seem less connected to the theme but finished very well. The leaf labled as skin for example was only connected to the theme by its title IMO. Great photo though but a big strech on the theme. I still gave it a 6. (sorry about the AC. Hope its back soon.) By the way, loud one, I really admire your work....but thats just my opinion. (seriously, I do)
Message edited by author 2005-06-27 17:57:05. |
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06/27/2005 07:11:15 PM · #46 |
Thanks, I'm home now so AC is no longer a problem.
I guess it goes both ways, I just hate seeing people critical of voters because it tends to make people less inclined to leave comments other then "great photo" for fear of being called out in the forums or gettng a nasty PM.
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06/27/2005 07:13:42 PM · #47 |
Funny how I never get an answer to my simple question....
Why/how do you feel that your image was pertinent to this challenge. |
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06/27/2005 08:23:08 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by Gil P:
Funny how I never get an answer to my simple question....
Why/how do you feel that your image was pertinent to this challenge. |
I felt that every fantasy world exists in ones imagination. That kid wasn't scaling a rock at the local fair, he was reaching for the top of K2. He wasn't scaling it for the excercise, he was climbing for the thrill of it, he was in his own fantasy world. I thought the photo represented a kid in his fantasy world.
Its alright. People didn't make the connection.. Its MY responsibility to communicate clearly.
Message edited by author 2005-06-27 20:27:52. |
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06/27/2005 08:57:57 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by scuds:
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Taking you point of view into consideration, can you define "fantasy" in this shot?
What is so "fantasious" about it!?
Don't take me wrong, I think it's a terrific shot, a very nice leaf!
Also, heida's shot is wonderfull, I really like it! But, can you explain that also, tie-in to fantasy!?
Message edited by author 2005-06-27 09:23:17.
SWEET!!! I found my own picture in a thread.
I'm aware of the fact that this is just a leaf and a stretch for the challenge but a part of art is willing suspension of disbelief. The title is the key to the entire photo. Take a second and try to imagine some aliens and this is what their entire body looks like. That was the thought. I liked the picture so I figured it would be worth a mediocre score to get some comments. Some people definetly agreed that it didn't fit. Oh well, I like it, and it ended up being the best picture I have. I did my best to tie it into the challenge. With all due respect I like 'Feeling Proud', but I was envisioning something entirely 'other worldy'. Hope this helps, I'm really just excited to have seen my picture up without me putting it there, no matter what the subject is. (I really wish I could have submitted the leaf for this week's macro):)
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06/27/2005 09:35:41 PM · #50 |
And really, if you think about it, every picture in the challenge had to be a stretch, because how could one take a picture of "something that you might see in a world beyond our own".
Who really knows?
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