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06/27/2005 09:46:45 PM · #51 |
| I gave it a 5. Didn't fit the challenge well. Head and bush he was holding too close the top of the picture. Too much space below his feet. Eyes looked closed and I didn't like the expression. I agree that it was a bit unusual and that got it a point. |
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06/28/2005 12:11:29 AM · #52 |
Amazing how much whinning there's been here in the last few weeks about low scores and DQs...
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06/28/2005 02:12:43 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by trnqlty:
Originally posted by scuds:
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Taking you point of view into consideration, can you define "fantasy" in this shot?
What is so "fantasious" about it!?
Don't take me wrong, I think it's a terrific shot, a very nice leaf!
Also, heida's shot is wonderfull, I really like it! But, can you explain that also, tie-in to fantasy!?
Message edited by author 2005-06-27 09:23:17.
SWEET!!! I found my own picture in a thread.
I'm aware of the fact that this is just a leaf and a stretch for the challenge but a part of art is willing suspension of disbelief. The title is the key to the entire photo. Take a second and try to imagine some aliens and this is what their entire body looks like. That was the thought. I liked the picture so I figured it would be worth a mediocre score to get some comments. Some people definetly agreed that it didn't fit. Oh well, I like it, and it ended up being the best picture I have. I did my best to tie it into the challenge. With all due respect I like 'Feeling Proud', but I was envisioning something entirely 'other worldy'. Hope this helps, I'm really just excited to have seen my picture up without me putting it there, no matter what the subject is. (I really wish I could have submitted the leaf for this week's macro):) |
I found this to be an exceptionally strong & creative entry and scored it accordingly. The perfect interplay between image & title creates a whole series of layerings, and transports me almost instantly to an "alternate reality" where indeed some beast wears skin like this, so it works very well for me in engaging much more than my eyes. I love this entry.
Robt.
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06/28/2005 09:30:01 AM · #54 |
| Thanks a million Robert thats quite a compliment coming from you. I really appreaciate it and I'm still excited about this picture. I already have a framed 10x15 up on my wall. |
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06/28/2005 09:52:01 AM · #55 |
Well, take the title away from that picture and it's nuthing but a leaf.
Sometimes ppl complain that the title shouldn't be taken into consideration, but then sometimes a picture is nothing without it. I can't get it heheh. Shouldn't the image stand by itself? Isn't it worth 1000 words?
Well, the leaf or alien beast skin looks great, congrats!
BTW, don't take me wrong trnqlty, I just used ur pic as a random example from the challenge! I really like it, but I didn't vote it so high, for the same reasons stated for my shot: What's so "fantasious" about a leaf, even with the title? As you are, I'm glad about my shot, I really enjoy it, also have it printed already! It's just that, I assumed I was starting to understand the way DPCers think, but then I see I don't, LoL! And I really shouldn't understand, that was my vision of "fantasy" at the moment I shot it! |
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06/28/2005 10:06:44 AM · #56 |
As a reader of science fiction and fantasy books, I have a feel for the variety of ways fantasy can show up. In recent years, movies like "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" have brought fantasy elements into the oriental martial arts movies. So I can understand why scuds would have entered it into the Fantasy challenge.
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06/28/2005 10:13:55 AM · #57 |
There is always a lot of talk about what does or does not "meet the challenge", but there is no substitute for photographic quality.
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06/28/2005 10:52:12 AM · #58 |
Maybe you should have titled it 'lil jap fellow', that would have helped.
Originally posted by scuds:
I really enjoyed the shot I've entered for the fantasy challenge:
but can any1 explain Y did it do SOOOO bad?
I mean, bugs bunny is not jumping behind the lil' jap fellow on the shot, neither is Jennifer Lopez striping in the background, but is that something you see on a daily basis, a person dressed on traditional japanese costume!?
Can any1 comment or explain it to me (just for the sake of the low votes).
Not complaining, aight, I mean I loved this shot, just trying to figure out why did it do so baaaaaaad |
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06/28/2005 10:53:02 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
There is always a lot of talk about what does or does not "meet the challenge", but there is no substitute for photographic quality. |
I agree, I saw the connection in Feeling Proud to the theme. I didn't like the crop or lighting so much and gave it a 5. I had to reach to make the connection with Alien but I still gave it a six because I liked the lighting and texture. But I get the point scuds is trying to make. I guess in the end there's really nothing I can do.
No one I know can figure out the voters. I fell into a rut where I was trying to get high scores. Where my photos where taken and chosen by what I thought would do better in the score department. Anyone who knows me knows I'm not a fan of "cute" but my beauty entry was definite attempt at it. It ws a bad photo that I had to revive in PS. Funny thing is that the my best score was a fluke shot of my wife doing laundry that was practically straight out of the camera. I thought it would do miserably. I can feel My skin has already grown a little thicker. All in all its still a good experience.
I apologize for yesterday's vent. Nothing personal |
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06/28/2005 11:23:25 AM · #60 |
There is always a lot of talk about what does or does not "meet the challenge", but there is no substitute for photographic quality.
Having endured some 11 challenges now, I have given up trying to meet the challenge criteria, mainly because voters ignore it...why worry about meeting the theme when most voters vote regardless, giving the 'benefit of the doubt' to the photographer in some 'zen' like way. Like a construction engineer could get away with a pretty building design that will fall with the first gust of wind...but hey its just for 'fun'. I have entered a leading lines image that ignores that compositional technique, because I know most voters won't know the difference and won't care...'I've' stopped caring. I do care about the considered comments of those I consider credible and about the banter in the forums..that alone is what keeps me here...because I've yet to experience the 'fun' of the challenges..unless you're masochistic of course. Off to bed with another bout of despondency...must wean myself off this site.......... |
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06/28/2005 11:29:49 AM · #61 |
Amber - For real?! Is this what you call playing to the masses? Only a minority of voters look for an image that meets the challenge criteria?
I'm curious now - will have to look at the top ten results for some recent challenges to see if this really stacks up as you say...
Originally posted by amber:
...I have given up trying to meet the challenge criteria, mainly because voters ignore it...why worry about meeting the theme when most voters vote regardless, giving the 'benefit of the doubt' to the photographer in some 'zen' like way.
...I have entered a leading lines image that ignores that compositional technique, because I know most voters won't know the difference and won't care...'I've' stopped caring. |
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06/28/2005 11:37:28 AM · #62 |
I apologize for not having time to read then entire forum, I did read a couple and want to comment:
#1 Your shot just simply lacks anything interesting. It would of been neat to have a splash of color, an angle, a depth, a shadow, anything to make it a bit more interesting.
#2 somebody on here mentioned DP voters in general as being shallow, and only able to make obvious connections. Very true indeed, not all of them but in general and as a whole I found the same thing. It might not be so bad though, because the alternative is having a bunch of photos that don't fit the challenge. |
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06/28/2005 01:12:24 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by scuds:
Well, take the title away from that picture and it's nuthing but a leaf.
Sometimes ppl complain that the title shouldn't be taken into consideration, but then sometimes a picture is nothing without it. I can't get it heheh. Shouldn't the image stand by itself? Isn't it worth 1000 words?
Well, the leaf or alien beast skin looks great, congrats!
BTW, don't take me wrong trnqlty, I just used ur pic as a random example from the challenge! I really like it, but I didn't vote it so high, for the same reasons stated for my shot: What's so "fantasious" about a leaf, even with the title? As you are, I'm glad about my shot, I really enjoy it, also have it printed already! It's just that, I assumed I was starting to understand the way DPCers think, but then I see I don't, LoL! And I really shouldn't understand, that was my vision of "fantasy" at the moment I shot it! |
Let me put it this way:
The challenge was to create an image of something that would be seen in another world, basically, a fantasy. Now, it goes without saying that the creation itself has to be in this world, right in front of me, where I can photograph it. In other words, it has to be "real", no two ways about it, it has to be a physical manifestation of an idea, and susceptible to being captured by the light/lens/camera/sensor.
Got that? Everyone photographed something that, in the end, was "just a leaf".
To meet the challenge, we had to use the banal stuff of "here-and-now" to transport the viewer into an alternate reality. That trnql did this by merging title and image into a seamless whole is commendable, IMO, in the context of this challenge. For a challenge called "fantasy", one might expect the titling to be critically important on many images, and indeed it was.
R.
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06/28/2005 01:41:08 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Amber - For real?! Is this what you call playing to the masses? Only a minority of voters look for an image that meets the challenge criteria?
I'm curious now - will have to look at the top ten results for some recent challenges to see if this really stacks up as you say...
Originally posted by amber:
...I have given up trying to meet the challenge criteria, mainly because voters ignore it...why worry about meeting the theme when most voters vote regardless, giving the 'benefit of the doubt' to the photographer in some 'zen' like way.
...I have entered a leading lines image that ignores that compositional technique, because I know most voters won't know the difference and won't care...'I've' stopped caring. |
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From what I have seen, there are essentially 2 types of photos that do well:
1. Absolutely perfect for the challenge AND very good technicals AND is generally a very appealing or emotive image (WOW factor) AND usually has some uniqueness aspect either in creativity or subject.
2. Asbsolutely amazing image (maximum WOW factor) AND near-perfect technicals AND usually has some uniqueness aspect either in creativity or subject. AND at least loosely fits the challenge. In some cases voters make up their own loose connection because the image is so stunning.
Common denominator: WOW factor, AND above average technicals (composition, focus, lighting, color) and sometimes uniqueness - that may be in the form of post-processing (ala Pedro's horse), or in the subject, composition, angle or appearance of a high degree of luck (right moment) or difficulty in setup and execution (something like the bullet through the apple or certain types of night shots for example).
Obviously these are not absolutes - sometimes some images win ribbons over others that seem to be much more deserving. That's the nature of the voting dynamics. The same group of people don't always vote on all challenges and generally the images are not really compared to each other when scored, so depending on each voters individual scoring methods, the results can (and do) vary.
If there were a consistent set of defined standards that never changed, I would see the point in striving to make progress and improvements in scores and ranking, but the way it is set up, there is no point in asking "Why didn't mine do better than this one??" To me, the objective is to improve your skills and I think the way this is setup is great for that. If you win a ribbon along the way, terrific!
I would venture to guess that many of our most skilled members' best photos are not ribbon winners and/or may not ever have even been entered in the challenges. And it is very likely that the absolute best photographers on this site don't have the most ribbons, but instead score consistently high in all the challenges they enter. "So why bother entering the challenges?" you ask. Well, because they are one of the best tools on this site to drive you to improve. But it's not the be-all / end-all. Use them as a tool for your own improvement and not a jdugement for or against your skills or lack thereof.
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06/28/2005 01:52:27 PM · #65 |
Ken... valid and well said.
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06/28/2005 05:55:32 PM · #66 |
stdavidson
Sony DSC-F717 06/28/2005 01:52:27 PM
Ken... valid and well said.
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Message edited by author 2005-06-28 17:56:19. |
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07/01/2005 06:56:26 AM · #67 |
| hey scuds left a comment on that jap guy snapshot. |
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