This defeats the whole purpose of DPC :(

Nikon AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.4D IF

07/10/2005 12:48:19 AM · #27

I've noticed that this is the second time in one day that someone who doesn't leave many (1) comment(s) has complained about one they've recieved.

muckpond

Nikon D200

Sigma 15mm f/2.8 EX Diagonal Fisheye for Nikon

07/10/2005 12:58:09 AM · #28

Originally posted by jseyerle:

I have a few week of penalize scores for them as well because they DONT use the challenge noun in the title.

the comments are rude, but there's no rule against rude comments (unfortunately).

"revenge" commenting just brings you down to their level. you don't want to do that, do you?

muckpond

Nikon D200

Sigma 15mm f/2.8 EX Diagonal Fisheye for Nikon

07/10/2005 12:58:43 AM · #29

Originally posted by pawdrix:

I've noticed that this is the second time in one day that someone who doesn't leave many (1) comment(s) has complained about one they've recieved.

remember that statistics only update twice per week. it's quite possible the poster has commented on plenty more but his stats just haven't updated.

graphicfunk

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

07/10/2005 01:03:08 AM · #30

You must bear in mind that the anal retentive is a small select group and they often beg for attention denied them elsewhere. Here they have a vote to play with and this is their nature. No need to get excited as these people are not here to learn or be supportive. Their hang up comes first. They should consider law enforcement where they can really abuse others. lol. all this is said tongue in cheek.

amber

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

07/10/2005 01:04:58 AM · #31

Originally posted by graphicfunk:

lol. all this is said tongue in cheek.

No wonderI couldn't tell what you were saying:)

Alain

Nikon D7100

Sigma 18-250 f/3.5 - 6.3 DC OS HSM

07/10/2005 06:00:04 AM · #32

Well, waking up this morning, I found that my pic got the same comment... and it also took a dive...

BrianR

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

07/10/2005 06:14:24 AM · #33

Why Not have a challenge without titles?. My Circles image started at 5.5 and is now 4.7, my title has a meaning, but not for circles, and I was voted down, but thats life, move on. this is the best Photography challenge site on the net, and the fees are minimal.

Message edited by author 2005-07-10 06:29:00.

GlenD70

Nikon D70

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

07/10/2005 06:48:21 AM · #34

I got the same comment. So far in challeges, I have used a title that could be considered obscure and most people have not understood my meaning. This time I decided to be crystal clear with my title and I get criticised for it also. I guess it is just life that you can't please all of the people all of the time. Interestingly, I believe that this is the best photo I have entered (out of 3, yes I am now a jaded newbie) and it has received the lowest score. I would print this one out and proudly put it on my wall!

07/10/2005 06:59:24 AM · #35

Originally posted by GlenD70:

haha I felt the same way. I was sure this was going to beat my all time high. Until the "Title Monster" struck..

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

07/10/2005 07:05:14 AM · #36

I have stayed away from this thread so as not to go on a full blown rant...but here goes:

Take a look at this image and read the comments

It placed ok on the metal challenge and would have placed better if not for the stupid title.

Folks, I knew that the title was stupid...too long...kinda insane... it was done for a purpose. That purpose was to see if a damn title actually has a meaning here. Some say ...well the title is part of the presentation...to those I say get over yourself... I do not have to be a master of prose to be a good photographer and to deliver a good image.

How many times with a sold print do you have to deliver a "title" In my case except a display poster that count would be oh...about never. I went through 4 years of school (I have a BFA in photography) and I only had to title images once. So IMHO the title thing doesn't add or subtract anything from a image at all.

Not only do I agree with hywind about a challenge without titles... lets just evolve past the title thing and just dump the title requirement. It really brings nothing at all to the table.

/rant

back to smiling

BTW... the comment by RonBeam was the most powerfull comment that I ever recieved on an image - Thanks !

Message edited by author 2005-07-10 07:14:58.

GlenD70

Nikon D70

07/10/2005 07:14:53 AM · #37

Originally posted by nomad469:

Not only do I agree with hywind about a challenge without titles... lets just evolve past the title thing and just dump the title requirement. It really brings nothing at all to the table.

I agree 100%

07/10/2005 07:17:09 AM · #38

Originally posted by GlenD70:

Originally posted by nomad469:
Not only do I agree with hywind about a challenge without titles... lets just evolve past the title thing and just dump the title requirement. It really brings nothing at all to the table.

I agree 100%

I agree as well, then at least people would lose points only due to something stupid like a title. If there is a title it should be the name of the challange, ie everyone has the same title.

07/10/2005 07:20:45 AM · #39

actually ... it would almost be better if the title were just optional.
There are some images that the title does add something ... As in the case of an image that has to have words to get its meaning across...

Not all images need this though.

07/10/2005 07:22:20 AM · #40

Originally posted by jseyerle:

I agree as well, then at least people would lose points only due to something stupid like a title. If there is a title it should be the name of the challange, ie everyone has the same title.

What you see as "something stupid like the title" other people see as an essential part of the presentation of a photograph.

Who's to say which camp is right?

You and many others may feel that the title has no place in how one judges the entry - you are entitled to vote according to that belief.

Others feel that the title is an integral part of the presentation, just as much as content, exposure and composition of the photograph and are entitled to vote according to that belief.

Whilst I think it's petty to vote down any image just for having the challenge title included in the image title, I do not think it's wrong to take the title into account to an extent.

For me, I seldom find a title so off-putting that it strongly hinders my appreciation of an entry, though when I do, I'll vote on the overall impression the entry makes on me. I do often find a good title adds to my appreciation of an entry and I'm sure that plays a part in the eventual score I award.

Message edited by author 2005-07-10 07:30:59.

07/10/2005 07:27:42 AM · #41

Originally posted by Kavey:

What you see as "something stupid like the title" other people see as an essential part of the presentation of a photograph.

Who's to say which camp is right?

Kavey ... that is the point of the followup ... I agree with your statement... so lets just make the title optional...

That way the photographer can make the creative decision if a title is even needed or desired with the image

Message edited by author 2005-07-10 07:29:37.

Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS USM

07/10/2005 07:30:11 AM · #42

Nomad
I have edited my post to show more clearly whose post I was responding to.

And it IS essentially optional already - one can already put in something such as a hyphen or a fullstop or just "n/a" or "untitled".

But it still seems to me that, where people choose to use titles, voters are perfectly entitled to take those into consideration in their voting.

Message edited by author 2005-07-10 07:32:26.

Skip

Canon EOS-1D X

07/10/2005 07:30:14 AM · #43

there are a number of issues in this thread:

a voter's impact is statistically inconsequential! after 150 votes, a single vote will have barely .005 impact (if you track every vote you get, you will get the idea). so, jseyerle, the 'Title Monster' is not responsible for your score; the 'Title Monster' is only responsible for pissing you off.

cutting and pasting comments for the most part, this is bad form, unless the commenter adds additional image-specific comments as well

truly rude comments need to be forwarded to the SC so they can determine whether it is a problem, or whether you should forget about it.

useless comments are a part of dpc. learn to ignore them.

the ON-GOING title debate can be found in any number of threads on a regular basis. i have to disagree with nomad about it 'bringing nothing to the table.' my highest commented image was due completely to the title, and my most recent long-winded title scored well, but had only a few comments about the title...

Goodness Gracious, Great Balls of Fire

...to the sea, I raced the setting sun, only to find the sea waiting for me...

just my 02Â¢

edit: i agree with everything kavey posted while i was responding!

Message edited by author 2005-07-10 07:32:41.

07/10/2005 07:33:56 AM · #44

Originally posted by Kavey:

sorry.. wasnt calling the title of images stupid.. was trying to reference the point I and others have lost points for a stupid reason. (im cool with it though. as every barrel has a few rotten apples, and this morning my score is climbing back up)

I was just trying to come up with a solution for photos people put alot of care or work into be marked down due to something like a title.

I personally feel this persons vote should be removed, or at least they have the courtesty to go back to all the photos they happily marked low in PROTEST and actually leave some constructive feedback. Then I wouldnt care they marked mine down, at least they would be helping to improve our photography.

So come on whomever you were.. After the challenge have the manners to leave us some real feedback and not your soap box protest statement.

07/10/2005 07:34:19 AM · #45

Skiprow...Thank you for proving my point in the follow up message(s)
If a title DOES bring something...Use it. If not dont force it...yeah I did waffle a bit in the followup statment ...can I run for President ?

07/10/2005 07:38:51 AM · #46

Originally posted by jseyerle:

You're missing my point.

YOU may feel knocking points off for a title is stupid but your viewpoint may not be universal. Whilst it may well be that the majority agrees with you, I'm glad to say that majority opinion doesn't automatically make the minority opinion "stupid".

At the end of the day, this voter may have chosen an unwise way of expressing themselves but, if using the challenge title within an image title negatively affects their view/ enjoyment of that image they surely have the right to vote accordingly?

I hate to see thread after thread where people rant about how people shouldn't be allowed to vote this way or that way or any which way that doesn't agree with their own way of voting.

If we follow that path we may as well have just one single person voting and multiply the vote they cast by x for the final results!

People can already choose not to title their image, as I mentioned above. If they enter a title (and likewise if they apply a border) they need to accept that this will form part of the presentation of their entry on which people award their score.

Message edited by author 2005-07-10 07:39:33.

07/10/2005 07:42:23 AM · #47

Originally posted by Kavey:

As I said.. I have my opinion. My opnion isnt going to negate this persons vote. The wish now is, after challenge is over, they have the courtesy to their fellow memeber to leave some constructive feedback.

I dont give a toss about the points I lost. I just want this person to help my photography. It will take them just a couple minutes to leave us some contrsuctive feedback.