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07/28/2005 09:44:11 AM · #26 |
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07/28/2005 09:49:43 AM · #27 |
please sir, if it's not too late
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07/28/2005 09:51:55 AM · #28 |
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07/28/2005 10:58:39 AM · #29 |
| I am interested. I need an exercise like that. |
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07/28/2005 11:03:34 AM · #30 |
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07/28/2005 11:36:21 AM · #31 |
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07/28/2005 11:45:02 AM · #32 |
Your a braver man than I am jmsetzler. Thats quite the full class and you are jumping into what seems to me a very challenging class to teach. I must admit if I had the time I would still want on that list. Just from your portfolio we can tell you have a lot you could tech us. Best of luck
Tristalisk
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07/28/2005 11:58:45 AM · #33 |
I just wish somebody would teach me the rules...what's a 'third' anyway?
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07/28/2005 12:03:19 PM · #34 |
never mind.....................
Message edited by author 2005-07-28 14:20:09. |
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07/28/2005 12:41:54 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
I just wish somebody would teach me the rules...what's a 'third' anyway? |
The rules of thirds? |
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07/28/2005 01:08:43 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by rikki11:
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
I just wish somebody would teach me the rules...what's a 'third' anyway? |
The rules of thirds? |
Just kidding... |
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07/28/2005 01:28:57 PM · #37 |
I'll join,... but only if Godzilla can come with!!
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07/28/2005 01:38:50 PM · #38 |
one of my "rules" for the kids photography class was
First We Learn The Rules - Then We Learn To Break Them!!!
they loved that ;) |
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07/28/2005 01:39:41 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
I just wish somebody would teach me the rules...what's a 'third' anyway? |
third Audio pronunciation of "third" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (thûrd)
n.
1. The ordinal number matching the number three in a series.
2. One of three equal parts.
3. Music.
1. An interval of three degrees in a diatonic scale.
2. A tone separated by three degrees from a given tone, especially the third tone of a scale.
4. The transmission gear or gear ratio used to produce forward speeds next higher to those of second in a motor vehicle.
5. Baseball. Third base.
6. thirds Merchandise whose quality is below the standard set for seconds.
[Middle English thridde, therdde, third, from Old English thridda. See trei- in Indo-European Roots.]third adv. & adj.
Word History: Every native speaker knows that the cardinal three and the ordinal third are closely related, but many may wonder why the r comes before the vowel in the former and after in the latter. What we have here is metathesis, the switching of the order of two sounds. This is a common occurrence in languages, and especially so in English with the consonant r. In Old English, three was thre, and third was thridda. Thridda would have given us thrid in Modern English except for the metathesis of r and i. This metathesis began in Old English times in Northumbria: thridda appears as thirdda in Northumbrian manuscripts. The metathesis spread south during Middle English times and also affected many other words, including bird (originally bridd in Old English and in Chaucer's Middle English), and nostril, literally ânose holeâ (from Old English thyrl). Metathesis even produced the curious form throp from thorp, âvillage,â which survives in the proper name Winthrop.
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ROTFL - just realized how applicable this post was as it details a grammatical "breaking of the rules" *LOL*
Message edited by author 2005-07-28 13:46:48. |
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07/28/2005 02:34:04 PM · #40 |
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07/28/2005 02:36:47 PM · #41 |
I'm interested in finding out how many 'rules' people know other than the rule of thirds. I plan to leave out the rule of thirds in this group anyway.
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07/28/2005 02:38:17 PM · #42 |
Yes...they're just undocumented and unpublished...for example:
The rule governing why approx. 200+ years ago we swapped two letters and went from:
loue ---> love
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yov ---> you
(no one has yet been able to explain that to me...even though you can see it makes more sense when taking into account the letter "double-u" which actually most often appears as a "double-v"
W
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07/28/2005 02:39:37 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I'm interested in finding out how many 'rules' people know other than the rule of thirds. I plan to leave out the rule of thirds in this group anyway. |
Well, I know there is the universal rule of "always have your camera with you" (#1 rule of photography).... *lol*
Breaks my heart every time I break this one...
But I think it'd be advantageous to see a list (perhaps not all inclusive) of "rules" |
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07/28/2005 02:40:02 PM · #44 |
Put me down sounds interesting
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07/28/2005 02:51:17 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I'm interested in finding out how many 'rules' people know other than the rule of thirds. I plan to leave out the rule of thirds in this group anyway. |
I don't believe in rules, so I thought it would be natural for me :) |
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07/28/2005 03:20:33 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by xion:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I'm interested in finding out how many 'rules' people know other than the rule of thirds. I plan to leave out the rule of thirds in this group anyway. |
I don't believe in rules, so I thought it would be natural for me :) |
This group may not be for you then :)
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07/28/2005 03:38:23 PM · #47 |
John: It might not be ... but ...I will have to find out. I would appreciate if you let me experience it with the rest of others in the group. It would be a new experience for me and I believe it will helpe me grow. I am also trying to understand where my photography is going and I think this is one way to test it. Do let let me know. Cheers.
edit: the usual typos!
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07/28/2005 03:39:23 PM · #48 |
Besides thirds, composition-oriented I've heard about diagonals and triangles, but I wouldn't call it "rules".
Other rules I try to follow is "get closer, you moron!" :) a.k.a. "fill the frame" and KISS, but this isn't only aplicable to photographs
Edit: does "Always bring your tripod" count as a rule?
Edit2: Forgot a VERY important one "Don't do spot editing under basic editing rules" :D
Message edited by author 2005-07-28 16:30:27. |
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07/28/2005 03:41:07 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by xion:
John: It might not be ... but ...I will have to find out. I would appreciate if you let me experience it with the rest os others in the group. It would be a new experience for me and I believe it will helpe me grow. I am also trying to see understand where my photography is going and I think this is one way to test it. Do let let me know. Cheers. |
You are welcome to participate and i have you on the list. My comment was based on a theory that says you can't 'break a rule' unless you understand the rule. If you are breaking a rule that you don't understand, you aren't really breaking it. You are just doing what I would call 'hit and miss' photography. Breaking a rule intentionally and breaking one because you didn't know/understand it are two entirely different concepts :)
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07/28/2005 10:27:36 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I'm interested in finding out how many 'rules' people know other than the rule of thirds. I plan to leave out the rule of thirds in this group anyway. |
Disappearing Lines into Corners:
If there are strong lines in the scene, try to get them to disappear into the corner. If the lines break into the center or the edge, it tends to divide the photo, but disappearing into a corner seems to make composition stronger.
S Curves:
Apparently, they eye enjoys following S curves. This rules seems to apply mostly to water, roads and the silhouettes of people.
Movement into the Majority of the Frame:
If you have motion, try to place the object that is moving into the larger part of the frame (more space in front of the vehicle than behind). If the moving thing approaches an edge, it may seem it's about to "fall off", which is discomforting to the viewer. If you want to be edgy, go right to the edges.
Monotonous Content:
Some images would make killer jigsaw puzzles - they contain many examples of the same object but with deep detail allows the brain to dwell on and discover arbitrary parts of the photo.
Diagonals:
Setting subject matter on a diagonal will almost always make for a more dynamic picture. Even if this is an invisible diagonal that draws your eye between two points. Move around the subject and look for a diagonal.
In terms of composition, I'd like to explore how a photographer can knowingly bend or break the above "rules," and still produce good, solid images.
There are other aspects of photography that people (including on DPC) seem to use as yardsticks when it comes to the determination process of whether images work or not. There seems to be rigid insistence on sharp focus, a certain range for "acceptable exposure," on a noise-less quality.
John, are you planning at all to look at how soft focus, noise and a less than conventionally perfect exposure range might produce interesting and working images?
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