Uhhhggggg...opinions please - DPChallenge Forums

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

08/29/2005 08:33:11 AM · #3

You asked for my opinion. Here 'tis:
I will not typically vote down for title or border unless, in my opinion, it totally detracts or enhances the image. The title and border are part of the total presentation and need to be considered as part of the whole. A great title can bump up an image a point and a really bad border can bump down an image a point. My voting, my opinion.

Now, for this challenge, the details state: "title your shot with your D&L definition!" I can see where people would vote down something that does not define D&L. I have not voted yet so I don't know how many people have not titled their image with some form of D&L.

I think, due to language differences, some people might have issues with titles as many words don't translate. That sucks, to be honest, and I hope people won't go overboard with low scores to images that don't meet that aspect of the challenge.

My .02.

mandyturner

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

08/29/2005 09:04:38 AM · #4

Originally posted by gayle43103:

I'm not going to title or border my photos anymore. Just had a comment that my score will suffer because of my title. I just give up.

I know what you are going through. I rec this comment during the nude challenge..

BLING BLING

"I have to say that the title totally ruined this for me...I hate the word "bling", there is something so immature and "cheap" about it...maybe this was your intent? This really seems to be more about the belly jewel than "nudity".

I agree that the title makes it more about the jewelry than the nudity, but that commment pissed me off. A comment has never made me upset before.

troberge

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

08/29/2005 09:10:04 AM · #5

I have had three comments on my photo and so far..they have all made comments on my title and none of them have commented on my photo. I have never voted a photo down because of its title as it is a photographic competition not an english competition. (I have even seen titles with spelling errors!) I just think it is really anal to mark someone down because of a title that you are not fussed with.

irishempress

Nikon D200

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 24-120mm f/3.5-5.6G VR

08/29/2005 09:12:22 AM · #6

Originally posted by mandyturner:

I know what you are going through. I rec this comment during the nude challenge..

BLING BLING

"I have to say that the title totally ruined this for me...I hate the word "bling", there is something so immature and "cheap" about it...maybe this was your intent? This really seems to be more about the belly jewel than "nudity".

I agree that the title makes it more about the jewelry than the nudity, but that commment pissed me off. A comment has never made me upset before.

Mandy...I'm so sorry that you received such a callous comment -- i, personally, found the title funny and the photo just beautiful. I've found that we can't please everyone here -- while one person may love a title or dof, another will hate it and give us a one.

Your photo was just lovely, and the bling, bling was a great title!

CalliopeKel

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

08/29/2005 09:12:56 AM · #7

Im sure that was pretty hurtful Mandy. People are certainly entitled to their opinions, however that was a tad over the top. But as you know, we all get less than ideal comments, and hopefully its something to be learned from. We obviously cannot please everyone, if we are going for ribbons (ultimately) we have to keep in mind that this sort of thing may not appeal to the masses.

I thought it was cute.

troberge

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

08/29/2005 09:14:44 AM · #8

Mandyturner, I hear what you are saying. I happen to think that is a fantastic title for your photo. Nudity is not all about t**s and bu**s. You thought outside the box and showed some creativity and unfortunately others feel it is their job to dump on you and your work because of it.

jan_vdw

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

08/29/2005 09:18:20 AM · #9

Agreed. I think there are times when a title is important to a photo. The photo probably got voted down for lack of t*** and a**, nothing to do with the title. Pay it no mind.

mandyturner

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

08/29/2005 09:19:14 AM · #10

Thank you for the kind comments. I didn't expect a great score on my photo to begin with, but to get insulted that my picture (when it is a self portrait) is CHEAP and IMMATURE? UURRGGG! My mother uses the word "BLING" all the time. It is a slang word. That's all. Get with the times people! She could have just commented on how the picture is out of focus and how it is too dark.

jan_vdw

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

08/29/2005 09:22:57 AM · #11

Mandy, I wanted to do a very similiar photo for the challenge. Pay the critique no mind.

Sherri1209

Canon EF 75-300mm f/4.0-5.6 IS USM

08/29/2005 09:30:59 AM · #12

Originally posted by dahkota:

I agree completely... The D&L challenge moreso than the others because the subject matter had to fit only one thing "D&L". To not use a "D", "and", or "L" would not fit the challenge. It is obviously a personal decision how much someone allows that to swing their vote.

Sherri1209

Canon EF 75-300mm f/4.0-5.6 IS USM

08/29/2005 09:32:29 AM · #13

Originally posted by mandyturner:

Originally posted by gayle43103:
I'm not going to title or border my photos anymore. Just had a comment that my score will suffer because of my title. I just give up.

I know what you are going through. I rec this comment during the nude challenge..

BLING BLING

"I have to say that the title totally ruined this for me...I hate the word "bling", there is something so immature and "cheap" about it...maybe this was your intent? This really seems to be more about the belly jewel than "nudity".

I agree that the title makes it more about the jewelry than the nudity, but that commment pissed me off. A comment has never made me upset before.

Mandy - This person's critque lacks class....and I must say, your picture was "classy" --bling bling and all!!! Great Shot

dahkota

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED

08/29/2005 09:48:10 AM · #14

Hmmm....
I am going out on a limb here. I found nothing offensive in the comment. The commenter gave his/her opinion on the title - they hated it. They asked what your intent was due to the use of the title and their interpretation of it. They did not state that they thought the image was immature and cheap.

you will always find people who don't like your title or the way you lit your subject or the colors you chose or the border you used. Opinions are like...well you all know the rest.

I honestly don't think the person was trying to be hurtful. They were honestly expressing an opinion, just like the dozens of others that commented. I'd rather have an honest comment than lip service any day.

joezl

Nikon D200

08/29/2005 09:48:43 AM · #15

I understand your irritation.

I find all comments useful. Comments that re-inforce my own views give me a nice warm feeling inside but I find comments that come out of left field and totally unexpected maybe the most useful of all. These comments actually remind me that people see things in a way that I had not even thought about - which is very valuable. For instance, if you were to submit this photo for a print contest or something, you may now think twice about the title - which you may not have done without the comment.

Don't get me wrong. I have to work hard at it not to get irritated by some comments, and to take thm as opening my eyes to others' views. But it truly is useful. And if it costs me a few points here and there - well it's not as though I'm ever going to be in contention for a ribbon :(

I liked your pic and it was unusual. The title was appropriate. But that's just my opinion and probably doesn;t really add much to what you already thought :)

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Message edited by author 2005-08-29 09:52:34.

sabphoto

Samsung Galaxy S8/S8+

08/29/2005 09:57:39 AM · #16

While the title is an important part of your image I don't believe it deserves to be voted on. Come on would you not buy a beautiful piece of work just because you didn't think the title matched the image? Ever stop to think that maybe the artist (yes I include photographers in this) is trying to get a deeper thought process across and your close mindedness is missing the entire point and possible REAL beauty or meaning of the image?

I was totally pissed about a comment awhile back stating that my title in all caps hurt my image, I can't help but assume they marked me down for it. Give me a break, yes all caps usually means shouting on the internet but what if it was a print and was in all caps, would you think the artist was yelling at you?

So many people here pride themselves with their "thinking out of the box" ability then go and close themselves back in it doing stuff like this.

Buckeye_Fan

08/29/2005 10:42:33 AM · #17

Originally posted by mandyturner:

Mandy, so sorry to hear about that. I happened to have liked your photo and didn't even think about the title really. I take an indepth look at the photos. In the Nude III challenge, someone left the comment "heavy", now was that referring to me, (I was the model for the photo and I am a heavy woman) or to the look of the photo. I will again say "judge the photo, don't judge the model or its title".

RKT

Canon EOS-60D

Sigma 85mm f/1.4 for Canon

08/29/2005 10:45:34 AM · #18

Originally posted by mandyturner:

Originally posted by gayle43103:
I\'m not going to title or border my photos anymore. Just had a comment that my score will suffer because of my title. I just give up.

I know what you are going through. I rec this comment during the nude challenge..

BLING BLING

\"I have to say that the title totally ruined this for me...I hate the word \"bling\", there is something so immature and \"cheap\" about it...maybe this was your intent? This really seems to be more about the belly jewel than \"nudity\".

I agree that the title makes it more about the jewelry than the nudity, but that commment pissed me off. A comment has never made me upset before.

also posted by Mandy...

"Thank you for the kind comments. I didn't expect a great score on my photo to begin with, but to get insulted that my picture (when it is a self portrait) is CHEAP and IMMATURE? UURRGGG! My mother uses the word "BLING" all the time. It is a slang word. That's all. Get with the times people! She could have just commented on how the picture is out of focus and how it is too dark."

ok...I need to nip this puppy in the bud before it gets out of control...

Mandy...I'm sorry I upset you, that was not my intention. I was refering to the TITLE of the image...I just find the word "bling" somewhat offensive. You also seem to have assumed I marked you down for this title...I didn't. I really wish people wouldn't start threads like this because it really discourages honest commenting. I really don't like being "bashed" in public...you may have tried PMing me instead and we could have talked about it. I know "bling" is a slang term...I've spent most of my life in large cities, most recently Philadelphia and only last year moved to Tennessee, so I know all about "slang". I also didn't know this was a self portrait...how could I? This is the "danger" of using ourselves as models...it makes the comments seem more personal.

And what is most ironic about all of this...until this morning, my Affluence entry, " Wretched Excess" was one of your favorites...if you had read my comments about the image, I explain "why" I despise the word "bling".

Looking at an image is a very"personal" ritual for me, I don't look at them "mechanically"...I search for meaning, how the image effects me on an emotional level, what thought/memory does that image conjure for me... and titles are a very big part of an image in my opinion...but that's just it...it's my OPINION, nothing more, nothing less.

Again Mandy...my comment was not personal and I sincerely apologise if you took it as such...I really don't appreciate what you have done here though...not at all...it discourages people from being honest in their comments.

oh...

And thanks Dahkota for gettin' my back ; } I'm just happy I decided to give this thread a peek so I could actually present "my" side of the story

Message edited by author 2005-08-29 16:07:04.

dahkota

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

08/29/2005 10:55:07 AM · #19

Originally posted by rktdesign:

And thanks Dahkota for gettin' my back ; } I'm just happy I decided to give this thread a peek so I could actually present "my" side of the story.

You're welcome. :)
At this point, I don't want to rate anything less than a 4 as that might offend someone. I don't want to comment on anything I don't like or find technical issues with as that might offend someone. I don't want to comment on borders or titles as that might offend someone. I don't want to take off points for not meeting the challenge as that might offend someone. I don't want to interpret the challenge as I see fit as that might offend someone. I'm not left with much here... So, from now on, everyone gets a 10 and a "Great Image" comment from me. Course, that would completely devalue my opinion and get my votes tossed. Hmmm...what to do what to do?

tate

Apple iPhone 15 Pro

08/29/2005 10:55:10 AM · #20

I've been wanting to comment on this for a while. I agree with joezl that all comments are useful ... but the thing I really hate is getting conflicting comments and getting comments that I knew that I would get ... "The ___ isn't in focus". Or, even worse, a comment that just misses the point of the image - when someone didn't look at it carefully ... Then I think "Did everyone think this?". There is an inherant problem with attempting to rate 200+ photos: There isn't enough time for most people to give a good analysis. So the web-site isn't perfect ... and the winner is very rarely a "sleeper"!
Don't even get me started about bagheads (stealth commenters)! :0

Message edited by author 2005-08-29 10:57:39.

Fibre Optix

08/29/2005 10:55:13 AM · #21

Overall I don't know why people care about titles anyway. Just my 2 cents.

Buckeye_Fan

08/29/2005 11:11:27 AM · #22

Originally posted by metatate:

Don't even get me started about bagheads (stealth commenters)! :0

Don't get me started on stealth commenters!! That drives me crazy.

Rikki

08/29/2005 11:30:41 AM · #23

You have to remember though that one person's comment and votes might not be the egenral consensus of the group. Like others, I also get bent out of shape when I get feedback that doesn't make sense or isn't constructive. However, that's just one persons honest opinion. If you do get the same comments from multiple voters, um, I think there's really something wrong in your photo.

Just think a low vote by one or two people against the whole scheme of things? Next to none. Look at the recent top 10 finishes, some of them gets 1, 2 or 3 points. That's what makes it all interesting right?

eschelar