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 11/10/2005 04:37:34 AM · #1
I thought this was a fantastic idea but appears some people didn't agree and the thread has been locked.

I would like to suggest that this could be put to the admin as a formal request to improve the site or at least as a trail on one challenge.

Or if this is not what the site wants would anyone be interested in a juried dpchallenge and maybe post the results elsewhere?

11/10/2005 04:42:15 AM · #2
which trhread???
 11/10/2005 04:46:45 AM · #3
Originally posted by taterbug:
which trhread???


this one
 11/10/2005 04:47:44 AM · #4
Originally posted by taterbug:
which trhread???


this one
 11/10/2005 04:54:22 AM · #5
thanks :-)
I was highly cureious as to what John's experimnen was going to be...
I totoall y don't understand the negative responese though/????
 11/10/2005 04:58:27 AM · #6
When I think about it, technically it is no different from the current subsets of votes... we already have average commenters' vote and voters with and w/o cameras numbers. This would not go into the image properties, but would be nothing but another subset, e.g. Jury average.
Someone would have to sit down and sort these and post them, and that's what John volunteered to do. I'd be interested to see what would the experiment yield. It would have no statistical merit, though, as there are 200-300 votes or more per image per challenge, and we would look into 4-5 jurors' votes.

On another hand, as noted in another thread, we already have threads where we post photos that should have/shouldn't have ended up as high/low in the challenge. This one would be along the same lines, although subtly so.

John?

Why don't we try?
11/10/2005 05:03:18 AM · #7
As one of the proposed jurors, I thought it was an interesting idea - I've often wondered how different the results would be if we were submitting to a panel, rather than to everyone.

There is a vital difference between the two types of assessment however, that arguably wouldn't have worked in this instance, which is that many people would submit a different image to a jury than to an open vote (I would myself, certainly). Of course, people would have the option to choose which approach to take - but there would of course be no particular prizes beyond something only comparable to appearing in one of those 'underrated submissions' threads.

There is of course nothing stopping Dan, Judy, Robert and myself simply posting our own thread with our top shots from the open challenge, and our comments would also remain visible.

If enough people would like that idea ... well, post here, I guess ;-)

Ed

Message edited by author 2005-11-10 05:10:31.
 11/10/2005 05:07:06 AM · #8
I like the idea.
11/10/2005 05:07:58 AM · #9
like it
 11/10/2005 05:31:00 AM · #10
I belong to another site in Australia where the contest are both popular vote and a guest judge that has a vast photography background.

It is very interesting to see how this judge votes compared with the popular vote, that in itself is a learning curve being able to see how and why an well respected judge votedv the way they do.

Come on everyone it's a great idea and no harm can come from it.
 11/10/2005 05:42:36 AM · #11
Originally posted by keegbow:
It is very interesting to see how this judge votes compared with the popular vote, that in itself is a learning curve being able to see how and why an well respected judge votedv the way they do.


This is one of the main reasons I go to our local camera club meetings. We have respected guest judges for our monthly comps. It's always very interesting to hear a fresh, and sometimes weird/different/odd take on your work.

(oh, the other reason I go is that I'm now the secretary, so I gotta go! ;-) ).
 11/10/2005 05:52:31 AM · #12
Good idea, I like it.
 11/10/2005 05:59:28 AM · #13
yeah i like the idea.

I think the winner, or top image could be quite different.... an image that is artistically sound, or pleasing inst' always a crowd pleaser.
 11/10/2005 06:03:46 AM · #14
Originally posted by keegbow:
I belong to another site in Australia where the contest are both popular vote and a guest judge that has a vast photography background......
G'day Tim ... what site is that? Link? PM?
 11/10/2005 06:17:08 AM · #15
Originally posted by ubique:
Originally posted by keegbow:
I belong to another site in Australia where the contest are both popular vote and a guest judge that has a vast photography background......
G'day Tim ... what site is that? Link? PM?


Sent PM
 11/10/2005 07:26:38 AM · #16
Just Do It...
 11/10/2005 07:37:13 AM · #17
That Setzler guy is a huge trouble-maker! That was clearly a multi-phased plan, and it has been proven at DPC in the past that multi-phased plans, or ANY plans for that matter, are the subject of heated debate.

Debates at DPC normally split participants into three groups:
1) 98% fall into the Hey, cool idea, lets' do it! group.
2) 1% fall into the OMG! That's contrary to the Constitution of the great United States of America! "squeeky-wheel" group.
3) 1% fall into the I'm going to eat popcorn and watch this idea crash and burn because of the 1% squeeky-wheel group group.

Since Setzler has immediately abandonned his plan at Pase Two, there's no point in joining Group 1. There will be no convincing him to change his mind, I'm quite sure. Group 2 will likely lock this thread pretty soon, unless everyone joins Group 3, then we can all just eat popcorn at Ken's house and drink his generic-brand beer.
 11/10/2005 08:10:22 AM · #18
Instead of having the current challenge being part of the experiment why not have a challenge just for the experiment so the people who want to enter can and those how have a problem with it skip it. It seems to me that maybe people wanted to enter the free study but do not want to be part of this new twist on things. So start this experimant on a challenge where all want to particapate.

P.S. will the juriers give the reasons they picked the winners. I like the idea

Message edited by author 2005-11-10 08:12:38.
 11/10/2005 08:13:02 AM · #19
I think those who WANT involved should have to put the * in their title. I see no reason to HAVE to put a * if you DO NOT want to be involved in it.
 11/10/2005 10:54:19 AM · #20
Hmmm....Setlzler had the idea and as soon as there is one iota of objection, and a very mild one at that, he asked the thread be locked. His own thread? What's with the " you can't play by my rules, i'm taken my ball and going home" thing?

I think adding as asterisk to the entry title is a valid method to allow those interested to opt-in. It would be interesting to see how and if the results varied much. There is lots of precedent for this type of thing - judges do their thing while there is the usual Popular Vote contest as well.

I'm with Slippy in that i doubt setzler will change his mind. He backed down way too quick.
 11/10/2005 12:26:46 PM · #21
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Hmmm....Setlzler had the idea and as soon as there is one iota of objection, and a very mild one at that, he asked the thread be locked. His own thread? What's with the " you can't play by my rules, i'm taken my ball and going home" thing?

I think adding as asterisk to the entry title is a valid method to allow those interested to opt-in. It would be interesting to see how and if the results varied much. There is lots of precedent for this type of thing - judges do their thing while there is the usual Popular Vote contest as well.

I'm with Slippy in that i doubt setzler will change his mind. He backed down way too quick.


The request was legitimate though.. there may be folks who don't wish to be a part of it. The * solution is not a great one either because there is no way to make sure everyone who enters the challenge knows about this. I agree that it seems like the large majority thinks its a good/fun idea to pursue. However, I don't need any more crap dished my way for doing things that folks don't approve of. If it was anyone else, there probably wouldn't be much of an issue with it. If someone else would like to do the work involved in making this happen, please feel free :)

I decided to back off quickly because the initial objection was from an SC member.

Message edited by author 2005-11-10 12:27:41.
 11/10/2005 01:30:20 PM · #22
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
I think adding as asterisk to the entry title is a valid method to allow those interested to opt-in. It would be interesting to see how and if the results varied much. There is lots of precedent for this type of thing - judges do their thing while there is the usual Popular Vote contest as well.


why not just have an addendum to the rules pointing to this thread stating those who want to participate, add the * to their title? that way, everyone who enters will know about it?

personally, i think this is a cool idea...
 11/10/2005 02:08:41 PM · #23
I was the one objecting, and I was objecting personally, not as a SC member.

I objected to taking all the pictures from the Free Study and entering them to the Juried Challenge Experiment without asking first. There probably will be 500 or so entries to the Free Study, what if some of these photographers would rather not participate in the experiment?

Put an asterisk after the title, or better, have those that want to be part of the Juried Challenge put an asterisk after their title, that might work.

I am game for a lot of different things, but I react very strongly to being pushed into something, no matter how good that something might be, without being asked first. Good intentions alone do not cut it. It simply bothers me a great deal. And as much as John's experiment is valid, so is my reaction to it.


11/10/2005 02:11:47 PM · #24
Maybe the same idea would work as a forum thread or special Speed Challenge (with D&L's support).
 11/10/2005 02:18:18 PM · #25
You could notify everybody about the * with a flag and "special rules". It would be as universal as any other announcement we get. As long as it could be concisely stated, I think it would be fine.

I would love such an experiment.
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