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07/07/2003 08:53:17 PM · #1
Just something to think/debate about.

Walter Murch is a famous film editor who came up with 6 guidelines for deciding when to make a cut in a film. I was thinking his guidelines could be re-worked for any artistic endeavour, including composing a photograph or deciding how to vote on one ;-P

His main idea is to preserve above all else the emotion of the scene/image - even if this means breaking all the technical rules. And his first 3 guidelines are non-technical.

Here is the text from his book:
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"The ideal cut (for me) is the one that satisfies all the folowing six criteria at once.

1. It is true to the emotion of the moment.
2. It advances the story.
3. It occurs at a moment that is rhythmically interesting and 'right'
4. It acknowledges what you might call 'eye-trace'- the concern with the location and movement of the audiences' focus of interest within the frame
5. It respects 'planarity'- the grammer of three dimensions transposed by photography to two.
6. It respects the three dimensional continuity of the actual space (where people are in relation to one another).

Emotion, at the top of the list, is the thing that you should try to preserve at all costs. If you find you have to sacrifice certain of those six things to make a cut, sacrifice your way up, item by item, from the bottom.

For instance, if you are considering a range of possible edits for a particular moment in the film, and you find that there is one cut that gives the right emotion and moves the story forward, and is rythmically satisfying, and respects the eye-trace and planarity, BUT fails to preserve the continuity of three dimensional space, then by all means, that is the cut you should make."


So re-working the rules for photography - you'd preserve these attributes - over all others ...
1. It is true to the emotion of the moment (or the challenge ;-p)
2. It tells a story / has context
3. It feels interesting and 'right'

... Then all the other normal "technical" rules

Message edited by author 2003-07-07 21:37:53.
07/07/2003 09:16:39 PM · #2
great post! I have a film background so I can relate to these ideas. I don't know if these relates entirely to photography though, since it does deal a lot with motion and rhythm, which isn't that prevalent in still shots really even though it can be portrayed.
07/07/2003 09:51:54 PM · #3
The main thing I like about his guidelines is the emphasis on artistry vs. the technical - between movie making, music, and photography, I feel so inundated and surrounded by technical discussion and know-how, reading his guidelines felt like stumbling over an oasis in the middle of the technical desert. He sounds like the type of person who (if he was a musician or photographer) could pick up the crappiest instamatic or guitar and create stunning art.

By the way, Walter Murch was the editor for Apocolypse Now, all 3 Godfather movies, and The English Patient.

Message edited by author 2003-07-07 21:57:47.
07/07/2003 09:53:44 PM · #4
he didn;t cut enough from the English Patient.. Another couple of hours would have done it for me..
07/07/2003 09:54:18 PM · #5
Originally posted by Alpine99:

he didn;t cut enough from the English Patient.. Another couple of hours would have done it for me..


ROFLMMFAO!!!!!!!!
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