Canon 10D or Nikon D100? - DPChallenge Forums

07/08/2003 10:58:23 PM · #1

I am wanting to purchase the canon 10D. I am in a conflict over lenses. Can anyone provide me with the details on the lenses they use and feedback on the differences between the EF and professional series? Also, how much shooting time does a battery pack average before needing a recharge? And...does anyone know the major differences between the Nikon D100 and the Canon 10D? I am wavering between the two.

pitsaman

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

07/08/2003 11:02:05 PM · #2

They are both too expensive (for me) :-)

07/08/2003 11:06:36 PM · #3

Well, I thought I'd put myself in complete debt. Like a crack addict I am. It's all about the camera!

07/08/2003 11:08:01 PM · #4

Check out:

//www.digital4to.com/D100vs10D.htm

Don't forget that the 10D has a magnesium-alloy body, and was designed from the ground-up as a digital camera. The D100 was based off Nikon's N80 film camera.

Personally, I think the D100 is more comparable to Canon's now-discontinued D60. Canon's release of the 10D makes it no-brainer.

Not to mention that Canon's lens lineup is much more varied than Nikon's. For example, Canon has Tilt/Shift lenses. And a 300mm f/4 IS. Plus, Canon's lenses are typically less expensive for equal if not better quality (i.e., the 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS, which is one of favorite lenses.) Until you've used an IS (Image Stabilizer) lens, you just don't understand how sweet that technology is. :)

07/08/2003 11:10:06 PM · #5

10D I love it I love it I love it. Did I mention the cameras not bad either...

lionelm

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

07/08/2003 11:18:31 PM · #6

check this thread

For the differeces .. check the 10D review on DPreview.com, they compare it with the D100 at the end.

Battery life is looong on the 10D compare to nikon or fuji due to the Cmos technology.

Lionel

DennisF

Nikon D100

07/08/2003 11:21:33 PM · #7

I have not been disappointed with my D100. If you are willing to go into debt, the 28-70/2.8 and 80-200/2.8 are fantastic lenses. They focus very quickly and accurately. (They are quite heavy, however.)

As long as you aren't using the USB interface, the battery lasts a very long time. (I download through a reader, its faster and does not kill the battery.) I shoot in RAW mode (10M per shot). I have never really checked, but only change/recharge the battery every 2 -3 weeks; maybe 1500 +/- 500 shots.

Dennis

07/08/2003 11:28:04 PM · #8

I was pricing the pro series canon lenses today and they are more expensive than i can afford...even in total debt. Do you think the image quality would suffer greatly with the EF lenses in the 500 dollar range?

07/08/2003 11:52:47 PM · #9

Originally posted by grigrigirl:

No The 50 1.4 is awsome the 28-135IS while a bit slower is still from what i have heard and samples I have seen a really nice lens. There are alot of others that fall within the $500 range that would be just fine.

07/08/2003 11:58:07 PM · #10

Thank you everyone for you responses...this is helpful. When you say a lens is slower...do you mean when using it in autofocus mode? I plan to manually focus...usually. In fact, it is having the ability to manually focus and look through a lens that is driving my passion for a new camera.

07/09/2003 12:00:20 AM · #11

The 70-200mm f/4L Canon zoom lens is an unbelievable value. It is slightly more than $500 ($540 from B&H), but it is well worth it. Once you have used a lens of this caliber, you will have the "L" bug and will want more... and more... and more...

07/09/2003 12:05:32 AM · #12

Thanks eddy...I will check out that lens. Does anyone have an opinion on a 24mm? I miss my wide angle perspective! a 24mm-70 or so would be great...if in the 500 range.

07/09/2003 12:05:34 AM · #13

A "slow" lens is one whose maximum aperture is small (f/5.6). A "fast" lens is one whose maximum aperture is big (f/1.4).

But speaking of autofocus speeds, Canon lenses with ring USM (Ultra Sonic Motor) focusing are incredibly fast and virtually silent. There are also non-ring USM lenses that aren't as good, but still much better than the noisy and slow "micromotor" (MM) technology used in a number of lenses. Almost all of Canon's high-end lenses are ring USM, while the "consumer" grade lenses are non-ring USM or MM.

See //www.usa.canon.com/eflenses/ for detailed specs on the Canon EF series of lenses.

07/09/2003 12:11:14 AM · #14

Canon's 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5 USM lens is an excellent starter lens for the 10D. I have this lens, but it doesn't get as much use now that I have the 24-70 f/2.8L. But it is much smaller and lighter, and is considerably less expensive.

Another option that is very popular is the 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM lens. This lens has Canon's Image Stabilizer technology which is great for hand-held shots.

Neither of these lenses are incredibly fast (especially at the 135 end of the 28-135), but will be more than adequate for outdoor shots or indoor with a flash. And with the 10D excellent high-ISO capability, using ISO 1600 will allow even these lenses to get some great shots with available light.

07/09/2003 12:16:56 AM · #15

My experience with camera's, before the minolta dimage, has been with purely manual slr's. I am confused by a lens being slower. Do you mean when using auto focus? Sorry to sound so dumb...but ive never used an autofocus slr lens. How slow is slower? Can you focus faster manually? I used to be very fast at manual focus...like some form of instinct. Will I be able to do this with the canon 10D?

07/09/2003 12:23:55 AM · #16

Sure you can focus manual if you want to. A slower lens refers to the Aperture. A 2.8 lens is a fast lens a 4 or 5.6 is a slower lens. Doesnâ��t usually have anything to do with how fast the lens will focus. Most of the canon USM lenses are fast focusing and the 10D auto focus (besides the ones having issues) is great.

If your big on manual focusing though you will want to look for full time manual focus ability. Meaning you can have a focus lock and still adjust it if you want to. Not a requirement but worth noting. Oh and Iâ��m pretty new into this so you really should check out some of the forums at //www.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1019 ask some questions there they will help you a lot.

Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 EX Aspherical DF for Canon

07/09/2003 12:28:36 AM · #17

Unfortunately, this "lens speed" thing is a complicated issue. It doesn't have anything to do with autofocus. It has to do with how much light a lens gathers and makes available to the sensor.

A fast lens (f/1.4) will allow you to use quicker shutter speeds while obtaining the same exposure as a slow lens (f/5.6) where you had to use a slower shutter speed.

For example, lets say an f/1.4 lens could create an acceptable exposure of a scene at 1/100sec (which is pretty easy to hand-hold without creating motion blur). An f/5.6 lens would require a shutter speed of about 1/12sec to get the same exposure -- and that is pretty difficult to hand-hold, let alone stop any sort of action.

The trade-off with fast lenses is that depth of field becomes smaller and smaller as the aperture gets larger (that is, the f-number gets smaller). At f/1.4, there is almost no depth-of-field, so your focus better be right on, and you better like the fact that things in front of and behind the plane of focus will be blurry. But you can always "stop down" (increase the f-number / decrease the aperture) a fast lens when you need more depth of field, etc. so you can make a fast lens slow, but not the other way around. (But that's why f/2.8 constant-aperture zooms are so expensive... they have a lot of special glass in them to gather that much light).

P.S. I forgot to mention that one of the coolest features of Canon's USM lenses is that most are full-time manual focus -- meaning you can grab the focus ring at any time and tweak the focus, even if you are in autofocus mode! However, I find it very difficult to out-focus the 10D. My manual focus shots are always worse than the auto-focused versions, so I almost never take advantage of this feature.

jimmyn4

Canon EOS-7D

07/09/2003 12:30:55 AM · #18

It's amazing that EF lens are considered lower quality and that there are lenses a step above those. That is one thing that I will probably never have, great lenses:( I can't afford them. Other than that I think the 10D is awesome. I rely on the auto-focus more than I ever did with the D30. I just have no complaints.

brettd

07/09/2003 12:36:10 AM · #19

Hi,

QUESTION: Doesn't EF represent the mount, not lense grade ie the excellent L lenses are EF lenses in Cannon's range?

The speed of a lense in this context relates to its maximum apeture (F-stop) the smaller the number the better. Because with a huge apeture, 1.4, 1.8 or even 2.8, you can still use fast shutter speeds and hand hold shots with little light, at the zoom end (135mm) the 28-135 can only manage f5.6 relativly slow (but IS makes up for some of this)

Autofocus on the 10D is very quick, I can't imagine ANYONE could manual focus that fast!

My opinion is not really fair, as I have not used the Nikon, but I did read many comparisons, and bought the 10D, and have the 28-135 IS USM lense. They are a great combination. If you like wide angles, the 17-40 L may be a better choice for you though.

As for Battery life, I use the Battery grip (takes an extra BP11) and can get over 1000 shots from a full charge.

Message edited by author 2003-07-09 00:38:07.

07/09/2003 12:40:00 AM · #20

Originally posted by jimmyn4:

I rely on the auto-focus more than I ever did with the D30. I just have no complaints.

Tell me about it. Isnt it a night and day difference over the d30. I think this camera acts like the d30 should have. Oh well.