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02/23/2006 02:41:08 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by docurrie:
Wouldn't the use of a "filled color" layer over a B/W picture be a violation of the basic editing rules? I thought you could only use an adjustment layer and only in the normal mode in basic editing. |
Only if you change the blending mode to something other than "normal". For example, if you used the photo filter in photoshop it's a layer with no pixels and produces a coloring effect in "normal" blending mode.
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02/23/2006 09:11:33 PM · #27 |
| My particular entry does use a duotone combo, which added color to the image. It is not doing well, probably because of the fact it had color. Anyway, I nearly entered the color one because it was made up of two tones, but I changed it to black and white then applied a duotone combination over it. I won't get the brown, but I will most likely be in the bottom 20, rather than the top 20. |
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02/24/2006 12:00:45 AM · #28 |
Here we go, I just got a comment on my two-color duotone:
"This is a two-color image but that doesn't make it a duotone. The second ink color in a duotone is used to enhance the first, not to show some objects in one color and other in another color."
The "Helpful" box wasn't checked on this one!
(Probably better to mouth off here rather than send a PM.)
Message edited by author 2006-02-24 00:01:47. |
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02/24/2006 07:54:02 AM · #29 |
I just wanted to add here that I have PSP. PSP8 to be exact. For those that have PSP and are not sure how to convert an image to a duotone, if you go to the Help and Index section in PSP and put in the word "duotone", it will give you the how to.
What I read was that you first turn the image to gray scale, then increase the color bits to 16 million, then take the image to "colorize" and choose your color and amount of sat. Pretty simple.
Another way to do it is the go under the word "image" and choose "split channel", and it will separate your RGB's (Red/Green/Blue) to three different images. One red, one blue, one green. Then you take one of those to colorize and again choose a color and amount of sat.
Both versions give the same effect, however in the second process you will have to change your image to a PSP image when saving to that of a JPG, but you can leave the raster (1) layer and it doesn't effect the image instead of merging it. I used process one as stated by PSP directions.
In voting, I find myself just voting on the image itself and not critiquing on the effects others used. There are quite a few versions of software and quite a few different ways of achieving the effect, so I am not nit picking the hows and whys and if's of each photo.
Rose
Message edited by author 2006-02-24 07:55:50. |
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02/24/2006 08:03:11 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by talmy:
Here we go, I just got a comment on my two-color duotone:
"This is a two-color image but that doesn't make it a duotone. The second ink color in a duotone is used to enhance the first, not to show some objects in one color and other in another color."
The "Helpful" box wasn't checked on this one!
(Probably better to mouth off here rather than send a PM.) |
Hey! I got that one too! Made me laugh once I realised that my knowledge and theirs were probably incompatible!
Sigh - getting comfortable with the idea of the brown now.
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02/24/2006 08:22:31 AM · #31 |
I think the harsh voting could be because of the challenge description saying: (black/white, sepia, etc) Perhaps it could have been elaborated a bit more.
I used the built-in camera profiles to create mine, as I wasn't sure if I'd do it right in post-processing.
I must admit, when I came across a couple of pictures I thought is that really duotone? But I always vote on technical merit first then how well it meets the challenge. And considering I wasn't sure if some pictures were duotone or not, I didn't change my first vote.
Message edited by author 2006-02-24 08:28:57. |
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02/24/2006 08:25:38 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by abroken1:
I confess that I didn't know what "Duotone" meant before this challenge either. When I looked at the previous challenge it looked like standard B&W or Sepia conversions, but then I saw the few colored ones. I did a search on the internet and found this helpful tutorial for proper Duotone conversion in Photoshop. It is made for CS2, but I have CS and the steps were the same.
//library.albany.edu/imc/pdf/photoshop_duotone.pdf
Even having found this, I didn't go crazy with the colors choosing black and a light purple pantone color for the light. It is hard to tell it is much different from the straight B&W version except it has a lot better contrast than a pure white and black duotone (cooled down some of the hotspots I suppose).
I don't mean to imply that I don't like the more colored ones (or that I think they aren't good duotones), there are a couple in this challenge that used it to great effect that I would hang on my wall! |
Just one more piece of criticism to the linked article: the proposed Image-Mode-Grayscale way of B&W conversion is one of the worst ones. With that you lose a lot of details and depth. Even a simple Desaturate works better. I personally prefer a long play with the Channel Mixer.
About my entry: it will end up at the bottom of the score list because I put two effects on it that (as it seems) only a very few viewer can see as I do. I should have posted the state before these changes. Will do so after voting.
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02/24/2006 09:14:34 AM · #33 |
Very disappointed in the quality of the images in this challenge. As someone already said it appears as though just any old photo was converted to b/w and submitted. There is an abundance of out of focus, over-sharpened, poorly composed, too dark images.
I wish the description was worded differently. |
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02/24/2006 11:04:43 PM · #34 |
| My duotone isn't a result of post-processing. It's natural. Whether it's a true duotone or not is another matter... |
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02/25/2006 12:58:29 AM · #35 |
Man. I'm glad this thread wasn't going on to where I could read it before I submitted my photo. I didn't realize there was so much to consider, and so many ways to do it wrong. Eeeeeee. I just took a picture that I thought would look great in black and sepia and converted it using the Photoshop CS duotone feature. I thought it turned out good, submitted it and didn't think too much about it. It's scoring really well, so in my case, if I had thought about it too much, I would have hurt my chances.
Very interesting thread!
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02/25/2006 02:55:36 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by gazdi:
Just one more piece of criticism to the linked article: the proposed Image-Mode-Grayscale way of B&W conversion is one of the worst ones. With that you lose a lot of details and depth. Even a simple Desaturate works better. I personally prefer a long play with the Channel Mixer.
About my entry: it will end up at the bottom of the score list because I put two effects on it that (as it seems) only a very few viewer can see as I do. I should have posted the state before these changes. Will do so after voting. |
I agree with you on this, gazdi... but I want to point something out:
The PSCS duotone is not available under the Image>mode>duotone untill you have clicked on the Image>mode>Grayscale. It is a grayed out, unclickable, Non-option. I, therefore, used the Layer>Channel Mixer to get the black and white I wanted. But, I then had to click Image>mode>Grayscale, just to open the option of the Image>Mode>Duotone.
Only then could I test several color combo's to find the warmth I was after. Perhaps after, I'll post the black and white and the duotone for comparison. |
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02/25/2006 04:59:24 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by ShotMD:
I agree with you on this, gazdi... but I want to point something out:
The PSCS duotone is not available under the Image>mode>duotone untill you have clicked on the Image>mode>Grayscale. It is a grayed out, unclickable, Non-option. I, therefore, used the Layer>Channel Mixer to get the black and white I wanted. But, I then had to click Image>mode>Grayscale, just to open the option of the Image>Mode>Duotone.
Only then could I test several color combo's to find the warmth I was after. Perhaps after, I'll post the black and white and the duotone for comparison. |
Yes, you're right, one needs to do the "normal" Image>Mode>Grayscale conversion anyways. My point (and as I can see, also your point) was that doing that alone will ruin the details. But of course it will not do anything bad to an image that contains only gray pixels in an RGB space.
Message edited by author 2006-02-25 05:01:05. |
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06/09/2009 08:22:16 AM · #38 |
| Thought I would revive this old thread about "Duotones" as we are currently having such a challenge again. I think I got a little the wiser from reading through this thread as to what constitutes "True" Duotone. |
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