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03/11/2006 10:43:31 PM · #1 |
No, I don't like your camera!
Ever wanted to tell someone that?
Tonight a sweet older lady i work with showed me her new camera. I guess it's nice, but hey, I'm not into the P&S things anymore. Last one i tried to use i got a photo of my feet (can you say shutter lag?)
Now she hands me her camera, on, and so i turn to a coworker and try to take her picture. 3 times. Then I'm told to hold the shutter button longer...so I do. I am now a year older :P Seriously, WTF is up with cameras with delays that are literally measure in seconds? Even a throw away film camera does better, my (now) ancient Nikon p&s and my old Fuji 1Mp did better.
FWIW, Canon A410.
if it was mine, it'd go back. the delay is unacceptable. How long should a subject remain still for a photo? 100 years ago maybe 30 seconds...i guess it's still that way for some cameras.
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03/11/2006 10:48:04 PM · #2 |
| some are faster than others. |
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03/11/2006 10:50:19 PM · #3 |
Yeah, i suppose. My fuji 1400 is about instant, my S602 was too. I mean there is shutter lag if you are trying to get your kid running across the yard, but the A410 and some other p&s (HP i think) i used at work to get a pic of the camera owner and a friend were both hideously slow. Unusably slow IMO.
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03/11/2006 10:58:00 PM · #4 |
I dont know, gave my Olympus C-4000Z to a guy at work, and he loves it and gets better photos of his kids then he ever dreamed.
To him thats the best camera ever. |
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03/11/2006 10:59:30 PM · #5 |
Was the flash on? With P&S cameras if the flash is on it seems like it'll take ages to charge up, and then eventually take the picture.
Also if it thinks the exposure is wrong, or the focus is wrong, or whatever, it won't let you take it sometimes.
Either way, I like DSLRs better too :P
(but my SD400 isn't too slow.. faster than my G5 was, and it takes good video clips) |
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03/11/2006 11:02:45 PM · #6 |
I shot auto racing for a while with my Nikon Coolpix 8700 and the CoolPix 950. Both had a little shutter lag, but not so much that you couldn't work with it.
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03/11/2006 11:45:31 PM · #7 |
Maybe it's the user, not the camera ;-)
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03/11/2006 11:55:39 PM · #8 |
With the dSLR's, there is lag if you are using autofocus, right? With a PnS, it has to do the autofocus stuff, plus whatever else is going on in it's tiny body. I still use my PnS and take pictures with others all the time and don't have a problem with them.
I have a Canon Powershot A series camera, and yes there is shutter lag, but not to the point where I'd return it. I've gotten great action shots with mine.
If it's such a problem, just politely refuse to take the picture instead of slamming the camera
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03/12/2006 12:01:13 AM · #9 |
Perhaps this was all the camera this sweet older lady you work with needs in her life....
And add to the fact that it seems stupidly obvious we would ALL prefer a DSLR, but I for one can not afford it. Despite this fact I have found a way to still go out in public and function with all the other people ;)
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03/12/2006 12:26:23 AM · #10 |
If it bothers you that much, you must be in deperate need of something significant to worry about.
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03/12/2006 12:29:07 AM · #11 |
I do tell people very often that I don't like their camera... I never lie to people so it is better to tell them what is wrong with their cameras then telling them that the camera is ok :)
But it is so normal to have a lag in the shutterspeed and all because of the autofocus. It does not bother me at all with the point and shoot camers.
But I realy do hate cameras with strange colors like all the cheap ones! |
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03/12/2006 01:50:06 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
No, I don't like your camera!
Ever wanted to tell someone that? |
All the time. Never do, though. Just smile sincerely and make appropriate noises of approval. I HAVE noticed, though, that I have a HELL of a lot fewer people showing me their cams since I went over to the 20D from the coolpix 5700. I guess I'm not one of "them" anymore?
R.
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03/12/2006 02:03:50 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
All the time. Never do, though. Just smile sincerely and make appropriate noises of approval. I HAVE noticed, though, that I have a HELL of a lot fewer people showing me their cams since I went over to the 20D from the coolpix 5700. I guess I'm not one of "them" anymore?
R. |
You're one of 'us' now - a White Lens Supplicant, a Canon Guy, a dSLR owner. Your's is now bigger than theirs, so they are, umm, looking for camera-viagra LOL
I just can't understand how and why these little cameras (and their makers and users) can live with these ungodly long delays. I suppose if you never knew any different then it's not your fault. But I knew different. Even the small delay my Fujis had frustrated me at shooting any action - the rebel is good, I hear the 20/30D is better yet (1/2 the dealy i think og the rebel). I can hardly wait!
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03/12/2006 02:12:17 AM · #14 |
i think someone is too into gear.
who cares what camera anyone's using, it's inconsequential. |
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03/12/2006 02:13:17 AM · #15 |
| I've never had a problem with shutter lag... ever. The lag is the focus delay, isn't it? so if you depress the shutter release half way and let it focus, then it take right away? I haven't used all the PS cameras out there, but that's pretty much been SOP for the ones I have used... |
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03/12/2006 08:12:36 AM · #16 |
Yeah, they work like that. But i expect to press the shutter and take a picture. The A410, in a well lit room, had to think things over for a long time. I mean 2 or 3 seconds from push to exposure. Not parts of a second. seconds.
I find it interesting the SLR owners defending this delay as accepable. I don't think there should be any delay on any camera, or just a fraction of a second if there has to be a delay at all for focusing, etc.
I like instant, and am used to it. Using one of the non-instant response cameras is like getting out of a race car and into a city bus - the handling and response time is in another league.
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03/12/2006 08:31:03 AM · #17 |
| Well... You pay for what you get... I'm just saying that I'm not offended by something I know exists when I use other people's cameras... |
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03/12/2006 08:51:21 AM · #18 |
Our oldest one (13 yr-old) has an A410. I've used it a few times to grab a snapshot when something happens around the house (Typical teenager? Leaves his camera laying around like everything else.). I haven't noticed a substantial delay with his. Maybe it was just the conditions? BTW, he does things with his little P&S that I would never do with any of my cameras (riding dirt bikes, etc...). Loves the movie feature and gets some decent clips! ;^)
While on the subject of P&S, we went to a local park yesterday. My wife hands me her A75 (or A85?) to take a picture of her and the kids doing something. I press the shutter and wasn't sure if I had taken a photo or not. I've gotten so used to the physical click of the shutter release now...forgot about the electronic 'beep' of P&S.
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03/12/2006 09:07:39 AM · #19 |
Went to a party rife with digital P&S's last night. Watched with horrified bemusement as one group after another posed for a photo. Here's how it went:
"Everyone get together!"
"Closer!"
Photog holds camera at arm's length--then backs up two paces to get enough distance.
"Ok! Everyone smile!"
Everyone smiles and holds that familiar frozen face.
The shutterbutton is pressed.
The pre-focus light twinkles.
Everyone drops thier expression and begins to break group.
The flash fires and the shutter is released.
The group has broken its pose.
The photographer looks at the image in instant review...
(by the way, why is the review screen faster than the shutter lag?)
...a disappointed look comes over her face.
I watched this same scene play about 20 times last night. Over and over and the posers never "got it"...
Addendum: "No, I don't like your camera!" But I would never say that. I take the same position on cameras as I do on babies--if someone feels they have to ask me, "Isn't he/she/it sweet?" I nod politely and say, "You must be so proud!" (Thank you, Dear Abby!)
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03/12/2006 09:18:21 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by KaDi:
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(by the way, why is the review screen faster than the shutter lag?)
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Addendum: "No, I don't like your camera!" But I would never say that. I take the same position on cameras as I do on babies--if someone feels they have to ask me, "Isn't he/she/it sweet?" I nod politely and say,"You must be so proud!" (Thank you, Dear Abby!) |
the reason that the review is faster is it is a specific asic jpg circuit that will spit out the commpressesd jpg as well do a decimation for display & hold that in a seperate buffer as the full jpg is written
-the main reason for lag / besides auto focus is the context switch of the sensor from a stream in mode (preview) to a still mode (jpg) - most mfg (including where i work) have fought with this for some time ...
& yes , i think the "You must be so proud!" -- what a great line /
i've been harrassed/ cournered by people on several occasions /telling me how they get such great shots with their camera (with eyes glowing like daemons of the night ) .... |
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03/12/2006 09:32:35 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by ralphnev:
the reason that the review is faster is it is a specific asic jpg circuit that will spit out the commpressesd jpg as well do a decimation for display & hold that in a seperate buffer as the full jpg is written
-the main reason for lag / besides auto focus is the context switch of the sensor from a stream in mode (preview) to a still mode (jpg) - most mfg (including where i work) have fought with this for some time ... |
Thank you. I think I've been here too long...that actually made sense, I think. If I got you right, the camera has a small temporary memory dedicated to sending a small packet of info to the extraordinarily low resolution screen on the back of a P&S...while the write buffer works. And...previewing with the screen on the back of the camera while setting up the picture slows down the actual event after the shutter is pressed, because the camera needs to access a different set of commands--sort of like switching between software programs on a PC---like trying to load the same web page in IE and Mozilla even though both are already open...hmmm.
Originally posted by ralphnev:
(with eyes glowing like daemons of the night ) .... |
Daemons! =o! |
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03/12/2006 10:10:25 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
You're one of 'us' now - a White Lens Supplicant, a Canon Guy, a dSLR owner. Your's is now bigger than theirs, so they are, umm, looking for camera-viagra LOL
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Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Yeah, they work like that. But i expect to press the shutter and take a picture. The A410, in a well lit room, had to think things over for a long time. I mean 2 or 3 seconds from push to exposure. Not parts of a second. seconds.
I find it interesting the SLR owners defending this delay as accepable. I don't think there should be any delay on any camera, or just a fraction of a second if there has to be a delay at all for focusing, etc.
I like instant, and am used to it. Using one of the non-instant response cameras is like getting out of a race car and into a city bus - the handling and response time is in another league. |
Not everyone cares about stuff like that, or white lenses or all that stuff. You want to talk about lag...if you're walking around with your 300d and it goes into 'sleep mode' then you pick it up to take a picture -- I think you have to wait FOUR seconds before it even starts to meter the shot...maybe it's a Canon thing?
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03/12/2006 10:16:38 AM · #23 |
| I totally agree with you Prof_Fate. I sold cameras for 6 years and I was always expecting resolution technology would slow down once we hit 6mp and they would work on speeding up the cameras in general. But no, a lot of point and shoots still have shocking lag, although some companies have tried to improve on it. |
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03/12/2006 10:38:22 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by deapee:
Not everyone cares about stuff like that, or white lenses or all that stuff. You want to talk about lag...if you're walking around with your 300d and it goes into 'sleep mode' then you pick it up to take a picture -- I think you have to wait FOUR seconds before it even starts to meter the shot...maybe it's a Canon thing? |
True. True....and you know you can change that sleep setting to "never." |
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03/12/2006 10:55:23 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by KaDi:
Originally posted by deapee:
Not everyone cares about stuff like that, or white lenses or all that stuff. You want to talk about lag...if you're walking around with your 300d and it goes into 'sleep mode' then you pick it up to take a picture -- I think you have to wait FOUR seconds before it even starts to meter the shot...maybe it's a Canon thing? |
True. True....and you know you can change that sleep setting to "never." |
But wouldnt that run your battery out faster?
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