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06/05/2006 04:58:24 PM · #1 |
Anyone else see this?
Sony just announced its first DSLR, looks quite nice
"10.2 megapixel sensor is a Super HAD (Hole Accumulated Diode) CCD with Super SteadyShot OIS, anti-dust filters and vibration, and Bionz Image Processor hardware; the camera also features the Minolta A-lens mount (of course), a 2.5-inch anti-reflective display, 3fps burst mode, 600 shot lithium-ion Stamina battery,CF and Memory Stick Pro Duo (via CF adapter), and a sweet feature that initiates autofocus when you look into the viewfinder"
//www.engadget.com/2006/06/05/sonys-alpha-dslr-a100-debuts/
also, a list of available lenses:
//www.livingroom.org.au/photolog/lenses/index.php
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06/05/2006 05:04:59 PM · #2 |
wow great, and Ziess Lenses as well, they beat the "L" into a cocked hat
as a Minolta user I am drooling at the chops ,bring them all on
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06/05/2006 05:08:51 PM · #3 |
It's spec's remind me of the upcoming Pentax with a 10.2MP and a anit shake sensor. Doesn't surprise me seeing as Sony is providing CCD's for Nikon/Pentax/Samsung.
The AF via looking through the VF is a nice feature though.
I had worries about Sony taking over KM, but looks like they maybe doing a good job.
Here is a preview of it at dpr.com
//www.dpreview.com/news/0606/06060501sonydslra100.asp
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06/05/2006 05:10:10 PM · #4 |
$900 sounds reasonable for the body.
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06/05/2006 05:15:03 PM · #5 |
There are a lot of great looking features, especially the hardware based dynamic range optimisation. But the absence of an ISO button would seriously put me off the camera. When I shoot gigs, I change ISO to match the lighting and I think having to change this setting in a menu would be a deal-breaker. Looks like I might have to wait for the next camera in the range.
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06/05/2006 05:44:23 PM · #6 |
Looks like a good system.
Now that Sony has anti-dust, anti-shake, APS-C 10mp with decent hi iso (see D200) and the possibility to mount a huge amount of lenses including Zeiss lenses this could be the nail in the coffin of 4/3 (Olympus). They are entering the market late though and will have to be very agressive to gain market share, so expect good deals.
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06/05/2006 05:47:20 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
There are a lot of great looking features, especially the hardware based dynamic range optimisation. But the absence of an ISO button would seriously put me off the camera. When I shoot gigs, I change ISO to match the lighting and I think having to change this setting in a menu would be a deal-breaker. Looks like I might have to wait for the next camera in the range. |
Real pros would have a different camera for every ISO, hehe :)
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06/05/2006 05:48:02 PM · #8 |
If this is a midrange level camera, which it seems to be with a magnesium body and 10MP, it will undercut the Canon 30D and the Nikon D200. It's spec's look similar to the upcoming Pentax, so I'm wondering if they are sharing technology as well.
Looks like good times for those getting into midrange dslrs.
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06/05/2006 06:45:11 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
There are a lot of great looking features, especially the hardware based dynamic range optimisation. But the absence of an ISO button would seriously put me off the camera. When I shoot gigs, I change ISO to match the lighting and I think having to change this setting in a menu would be a deal-breaker. Looks like I might have to wait for the next camera in the range. |
Real pros would have a different camera for every ISO, hehe :) |
TOO BAD!! hhahHAhaha!!
man that sony looks sweet... the single feature that would sell me would be the in camera antishake
Message edited by author 2006-06-05 18:45:54. |
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06/05/2006 08:21:27 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Looks like a good system.
Now that Sony has anti-dust, anti-shake, APS-C 10mp with decent hi iso (see D200) and the possibility to mount a huge amount of lenses including Zeiss lenses this could be the nail in the coffin of 4/3 (Olympus). They are entering the market late though and will have to be very agressive to gain market share, so expect good deals. |
Dont forget the 4/3 Panasonic and Leica cameras about to come out too.
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06/05/2006 09:45:24 PM · #11 |
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06/05/2006 09:57:50 PM · #12 |
Here is something to drool over. Pretty impressive range of lenses...
//www.livingroom.org.au/photolog/lenses/index.php
/boycotting sony anyway... :|
Message edited by author 2006-06-05 21:58:00.
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06/05/2006 09:59:03 PM · #13 |
too bad the review havent got any sample shots.
I'd like to see what can sensor and processor do. |
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06/05/2006 10:16:10 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by yido:
... it will undercut the Canon 30D and the Nikon D200. ... |
Three frames per second isn't going to undercut the 30D or the D200.
Originally posted by k4ffy:
$900 sounds reasonable for the body. |
No one ever gets a good deal from Sony. Good products maybe, but not at reasonable prices.
Here's a link to the write-up at dpreview.com - Sony Alpha DSLR-A100
Message edited by author 2006-07-25 09:52:15.
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06/05/2006 10:43:45 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by yido:
... it will undercut the Canon 30D and the Nikon D200. ... |
Three frames per second isn't going to undercut the 30D or the 200D. |
That's $400 difference as compared to a 30D, and a $700 difference compared to the D200! I can live without 5fps bursts, lol. OK so maybe I'm cheap - but everyone's mileage may vary on the burst mode part, I guess.
Message edited by author 2006-06-05 22:44:52. |
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06/05/2006 11:07:33 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by yido:
If this is a midrange level camera, which it seems to be with a magnesium body and 10MP, it will undercut the Canon 30D and the Nikon D200. It's spec's look similar to the upcoming Pentax, so I'm wondering if they are sharing technology as well.
Looks like good times for those getting into midrange dslrs. |
dpreview.com says it has a plastic body.
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06/05/2006 11:11:52 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
No one ever gets a good deal from Sony. Good products maybe, but not at reasonable prices.
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850 $ for sony R1, I am pretty happy with it. In fact i think that i bought the lense, camara was free with it.
And you say people do not get good deal from sony. uhh |
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06/05/2006 11:25:50 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
850 $ for sony R1, I am pretty happy with it. In fact i think that i bought the lense, camara was free with it.
And you say people do not get good deal from sony. uhh |
I think pricing is subjective - we have people saying a $1600 D200 is not expensive, while a $999 Sony A100 is. Or a $1400 30D as compared in. What makes something worth the money? The brand? or simply because everyone is using it and thus paying for the popularity? |
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06/06/2006 10:42:48 AM · #19 |
Woah, this is some pretty breathtaking peice of camera!
Anyone considering going with the Nikon D50 plus an 18-200 VR probably has some pretty serious cause for pause...
There will be an initial imbalance in the pricing of the lenses, but don't forget the already extant offerings from third party manufacturers.
I'm disappointed that the 50mm f/1.7 doesn't appear to have made the cut for Sony. And I think they are deluding themselves with a price of 2399 for a 70-200 f/2.8.
Aside from that, they have done exactly as I suspected they would... They brought out technology that easily matched Nikon's offerings (while still keeping the FPS low to give one of their biggest customers some breathing room), and retained many of the best parts of the KM line.
I don't think it will necessarily 'clobber' the 30D which has a CMOS sensor still keeping the home fires burning, but all that camera for just a little more than half the price of the D200? That's gotta pull at least a few customers.
Next year, when they offer a higher end model, things are going to get VERY uncomfortable for Nikon. Canon had better keep it's pencils sharpened too.
Regarding the ISO on a button, I think that's worth some looking into... I am not immediately familiar with the way that the dials work on these cameras, but I did notice that there was a dial setting just for ISO on the left one...
If it can still be done without going into a menu, it might not be a dealbreaker for me. (and that was on the short list of reasons why I paid the extra for the 30D over the 350) |
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06/06/2006 06:28:37 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by eschelar:
I'm disappointed that the 50mm f/1.7 doesn't appear to have made the cut for Sony. |
Don't forget that it uses the Minolta A mount, so all the existing Minolta 50mm f/1.4 and f/1.7 lenses will work on it.
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06/06/2006 06:41:47 PM · #21 |
| Sounds like the sensor that'll probably end up in the new K10D 10mp Pentax model in the fall. |
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06/07/2006 02:41:31 AM · #22 |
| So, there may be an upgrade route when I decide that I've outgrown/want something better than my KM 5D! :) |
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06/07/2006 02:53:55 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by eschelar:
Regarding the ISO on a button, I think that's worth some looking into... I am not immediately familiar with the way that the dials work on these cameras, but I did notice that there was a dial setting just for ISO on the left one... |
the left dial serves as a multi-purpose dial. just switch to what you wish to change on the dial, and press the F middle button - direct access? |
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06/07/2006 04:33:15 AM · #24 |
The Sony announcement is indeed a welcome one. Someone needed to prod Nikon and Canon to get off their asses and drop prices. I am a bit disappointed by the Sony lens prices though as I thought they would be lower and we would see a general drop in the price of good glass. It doesn't seem like that is going to happen right away(see the 70-200 zoom and compare to the prices of Nikon and Canon's offerings).
As for this talk about Nikon being in trouble, well if it was obvious to ordinary people like me that Sony has been a potential player in the DSLR market for some time (see my comments at //www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=237798&highlight=wadap0 - and some interesting replies), why would anyone imagine that Nikon was not aware of the possiblility. Surely you dont imagine this announcement has taken them by surprise. A company that has done well for over half a century is not going to suddenly get into trouble because some new products have been announced by a competitor - that has never happened to them. All I will say is watch Photokina in Septempber very closely! |
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06/07/2006 05:18:08 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by nikuser:
why would anyone imagine that Nikon was not aware of the possiblility. Surely you dont imagine this announcement has taken them by surprise. A company that has done well for over half a century is not going to suddenly get into trouble because some new products have been announced by a competitor - that has never happened to them. |
Below are 3 products that I know (due to personal interests) where it shows how Sony, without previous experience, killed the competition with their entry.
when Sony released the original playstation, Nintendo and Sega were the biggest players in the video-gaming market worldwide. The results are now history - Sega withdrew entirely from the market (only making software now) while Nintendo has lost the market grip. Today, the PlayStation is already at the 3rd instalment - and the leader, with Microsoft's XBox close at 2nd (Microsoft is another force to beckon with)
when Sony decided to venture into the handheld gaming market with their PSP console, for more than 3 decades, the GameBoy was the market leader, squashing all other competitors who tried. Today, the PSP console is the leading handheld machine in the world.
when Sony decided to do PDAs, at the time with Palm being the leader in the market for decades, (Microsoft was struggling to get a piece of the share too), The Sony Clie devices took the PDA world by storm. Too bad today Sony has decided to stop exporting CLie's out of Japan (unknown reasons)
There may be more, but the point is, dont be suprised if Sony pulls out another stunt on the whole dSLR market and take the competition by suprise. Not saying that Canon, Nikon or any other SLR companies are going to fall, but we might just be looking at the beginning of a new history in the making.
Message edited by author 2006-06-07 05:20:27. |
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