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 06/29/2006 11:37:45 AM · #26
Originally posted by annasense:

That's one combination. I don't know how many total non-camera voters there were... does it say somewhere?

Thanks anna... I have never seen any reference to how many non-camera voters participate, but I never imagined it would be as many as that (27). Thanks for your trouble!
 06/29/2006 11:42:56 AM · #27
Originally posted by stdavidson:
... If it is a challenge I entered then I bring up my own image last and rate it as if it were not mine. ...

??? How do you vote on your own image? That would require another account separate from your submission one.
 06/29/2006 12:03:17 PM · #28
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
By allowing the voter to stop at 20% you are basically screwing 80% of the entries out of a better score.


Or a worse score. Some voters will not vote on images that are low.

Originally posted by Bugzeye:
It isn't so bad to look at my score of 5.0 and see that I got 300 votes But then I look at the guy that scored 7.0 in the same challenge and see that he got 550 votes.


This bothers me as well. Cherrypicking which to vote on doesn't seem right to me.

Originally posted by Bugzeye:

If I can not vote for every picture in the challenge I will not vote period.


Like you and stdavidson, I have this same policy.

While having the thumbnails and choice of which to vote on is nice, it can certainly skew the voting. What can be done? If somebody is forced to vote on all, they may vote lower to get to the good ones. Or maybe not.

What may work would be no thumbnails and pictures in random order. You don't get to another picture until you vote on the current one. It makes it random and probably more fair, but we lose the thumbnails and the ability to quickly view a lot of images (especially immediately after rollover). The thumbnails are what got me hooked here to sign up for open challenges and I'd hate to lose (or not gain) members.
 06/29/2006 12:49:01 PM · #29
This is where I start to understand why people often complain about "FLOWERS" ...

I might sound like a jerk, but I find honesty is the best policy (hence the cliche):

Going through the bokeh images I started to want to see something different ...
I couldn't make it all the way through because i lost interest. i definitely need to do more voting but that was a tough challenge due to similar subjects. Since originality isn't necessarilly (YES therre are original images that win, I understand) rewarded with high scores, I can see why we get so many similar items.


06/29/2006 12:51:14 PM · #30
The thumbnails also helps if you want to go back and see what you commented on. Removing that kind of feature you're definitely hurting the site ....
perhaps rewarding people with more votes cast in some way.

Originally posted by Bugzeye:

If I can not vote for every picture in the challenge I will not vote period.


Like you and stdavidson, I have this same policy.

While having the thumbnails and choice of which to vote on is nice, it can certainly skew the voting. What can be done? If somebody is forced to vote on all, they may vote lower to get to the good ones. Or maybe not.

What may work would be no thumbnails and pictures in random order. You don't get to another picture until you vote on the current one. It makes it random and probably more fair, but we lose the thumbnails and the ability to quickly view a lot of images (especially immediately after rollover). The thumbnails are what got me hooked here to sign up for open challenges and I'd hate to lose (or not gain) members. [/quote]

Message edited by author 2006-06-29 12:52:02.
 06/29/2006 12:55:30 PM · #31
Originally posted by sherpet:
I have looked through the first few pages of the results, and noticed the following; (the highest number of vote that I found, was 299)


I went to see how many my entry got and it was 299 LOL, awesome :)
 06/29/2006 05:24:17 PM · #32
Originally posted by nova:
Originally posted by annasense:

That's one combination. I don't know how many total non-camera voters there were... does it say somewhere?

Thanks anna... I have never seen any reference to how many non-camera voters participate, but I never imagined it would be as many as that (27). Thanks for your trouble!


you're more than welcome. i'm an excel geek.
 07/06/2006 01:14:34 PM · #33
Originally posted by nova:
Originally posted by annasense:

That's one combination. I don't know how many total non-camera voters there were... does it say somewhere?

Thanks anna... I have never seen any reference to how many non-camera voters participate, but I never imagined it would be as many as that (27). Thanks for your trouble!


It could actually be any multiple of 9 =D
 07/06/2006 01:19:11 PM · #34
Originally posted by Tygerr:

So what does that mean?
Are people more interested in viewing, voting on and learning from 30 second exposures?
Do people simply not know what "bokeh" is, so never bothered to look at the challenge?


I have a feeling that a lot of voters don't like to get bogged down in these huge challenges such as bokeh and don't vote or they make 20% and quit.
07/06/2006 01:40:21 PM · #35
As long as people are rating the 20% on an absolute scale rather than relative scale, then if one person votes a higher average on some of the pictures, someone else should vote a lower average on those same pictures assuming that 1) We have enough voters on every image (200 should be plenty) and 2) the images being voted on are random.

The problem with voting a relative scale on 20% of the entries is that some pictures (the best) will get 10's even though they aren't the best pictures. (Assuming that the best and worst get 10's and 1's respectively) I'm not sure, all of that might average out too, but one thing that could help would be to allow people to VIEW but not to vote on images except for in a certain order. That way, people can see what is comming, but they wouldn't be able to vote on only the images that they thought were the best or something. They would have to vote on a random 20%, which is what should average the scores out in the end.

I try to vote on an absolute scale, just for the record.
 07/06/2006 01:41:40 PM · #36
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by stdavidson:
... If it is a challenge I entered then I bring up my own image last and rate it as if it were not mine. ...

??? How do you vote on your own image? That would require another account separate from your submission one.


I think Steve means, "Once I have voted on 100% of the entries, I bring mine up and pretend I'm voting and assign myself a score based on having seen the entire challenge." I believe he is measuring himself against the competition, and waiting to see if his guesstimate of his own score matches what the voters give him.

I do something like that myself, see? I usually have higher expectations going in than I do after I've handicapped the field :-)

R.
 07/06/2006 02:42:54 PM · #37
I've voted a 100% of every challenge that I've entered except for one. The exception was when my ISP was doing upgrades, so I'd didn't have internet access.

As a result my votes cast is about 50% more than my votes received. You would think that an entry would get at least as many votes as entries considering voting by nonparticipants is allowed, but you would be wrong.
 07/06/2006 02:47:57 PM · #38
i dont vote on challenges i enter, just because i find myself justifying to myself "yeh my picture is better than this one because of such and such", and i feel like its not an unbiased vote.
 07/06/2006 02:57:10 PM · #39
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
It isn't so bad to look at my score of 5.0 and see that I got 300 votes But then I look at the guy that scored 7.0 in the same challenge and see that he got 550 votes.


What's this talk about 300-500 votes? Mine average between 170-250 or so. I think my all time high is 304 votes and that was in the Duotones challenge that had over 600 entries! In terms of my entries it doesn't seem to matter whether they score well or stink.

Message edited by author 2006-07-06 14:58:20.
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