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09/10/2003 02:40:20 PM · #1 |
| Is it just me or is anyone eles having a hard time voting on some of these shots? I t seems that some of them are of things that bring that person back to a time in the past, BUT when i look at it I just don't see it. Suggestions? |
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09/10/2003 03:21:25 PM · #2 |
I think people are voting as if it's "The Past" + "Trends" but TJM.
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09/10/2003 03:23:02 PM · #3 |
I'm just assuming that if I don't get it, the nostalgia of the image is personal to the photographer. I'm not doing any "doesn't meet the challenge" on this one..
Many of the images don't say Nostalgia to me. They say past but don't appear to have the quality of longing and positive feeling I associate with that word.
But I'm not grading down because they don't meet my personal take on it. |
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09/10/2003 03:32:03 PM · #4 |
| I think the most commonly thought of definition of nostalgia and this challenge's definition ("use your camera to take the viewer back to another time") clash a bit, too. I had a hard time voting but saw some stellar shots out there. All depends on the viewer's point of view. I tried to stay broad minded. |
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09/10/2003 06:28:43 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by sslickk:
I'm just assuming that if I don't get it, the nostalgia of the image is personal to the photographer. I'm not doing any "doesn't meet the challenge" on this one..
Many of the images don't say Nostalgia to me. They say past but don't appear to have the quality of longing and positive feeling I associate with that word.
But I'm not grading down because they don't meet my personal take on it. |
Good idea. Mainly, because someone doesn't think it says nostalgia for THEM, it may be for the shooter. It could be as simple as wanting for a simpler time, less hectic life, no DPChallenge refresh button.
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09/10/2003 06:43:18 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by sslickk:
Good idea. Mainly, because someone doesn't think it says nostalgia for THEM, it may be for the shooter. It could be as simple as wanting for a simpler time, less hectic life, no DPChallenge refresh button. |
I agree with that statement. Nostalgia doesn't have to specifically be a time the photographer remembers, it could be a time the photographer longs for or would like to go to. The challenge did say "Use your camera to take the viewer back to another time". It didn't say "take the viewer back to a time in your life".
Message edited by author 2003-09-10 18:44:39. |
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09/11/2003 12:44:53 PM · #7 |
From the type of photographs that were posted I would say that most photographers
just assumed "nostalgia == the past". Nostalgia is a feeling, and in my opinion one should try to "depict" the feeling itself, or to make the viewer feel that way. I tried the former, but given how the voting is coming along on my (actually humble) submission, I would say that voters also assume "nostalgia == the past". There are a few awesome exceptions though!
Message edited by author 2003-09-11 13:27:30. |
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09/11/2003 01:28:52 PM · #8 |
I don't agree that you had to try to depict the feeling itself. To me, I get "nostalgic" when I see certain things, or smell certain smells, or even hear a song from high school or my wedding.
My dictionary defines nostalgia as "a wistful or excessively sentimental yearning for return to or of some past period".
It is pretty obvious from the definition that a "nostalgic" photo will have to be from the past. To me, "nostalgia" is usually associated with something good or pleasant, which is what made this challenge different from "The Past". "Nostalgia" is a subset of "The Past" (a more limiting challenge, if you will.)
Sights, sounds, smells can all generate this type of "sentimental yearning". I think a lot of people shot things that, when viewed, would stir up the feelings that you are referring to. If a photo does that, then I would consider it a successful "Nostalgia" entry.
Message edited by author 2003-09-11 13:32:56. |
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09/11/2003 01:30:33 PM · #9 |
...actually I said "one should try to "depict" the feeling itself, or to make the viewer feel that way". The latter includes what you're mentioning, and I completely agree with you.
The interesting thing is that nostalgia - depending on the ability to recall something from the past - requires a common enough cultural background to be effectively transmitted. For example, I noticed that I am just unable to recognize at an emotional level many of the objects or places that I saw depicted. I grew up in Italy and here on DPC there is a large body of photographers from the USA, who share their own nostalgies. I cannot easily relate to that, but I find this very interesting. Plus, there might be a "generational" component to this. A few photographs, though, were able to recall those nostalgic feelings without having to show anything from the past, and those are the ones I liked best, because I think they have a broader appeal, going beyond cultural differences.
Message edited by author 2003-09-11 13:54:07. |
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09/11/2003 05:09:03 PM · #10 |
| I found it very hard voting because the things that were "nostalgic" to me might not be nostalgic to anyone else. Some of the subjects wouldn't be nostalgic to people unless they were of a certain age group --older or younger. I am still going back and forth and redoing my voting because I am being swayed by my personal views and don't want to cheat a person because his picture is not nostalgic to me. I do certainly hope that everyone else is taking the same considerations. |
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09/11/2003 06:56:14 PM · #11 |
I have a personal goal in this challenge. Since I'm fairly new to DPC, I'd just like to have my photo finish well enough for it to be listed under "highest rated shots using XXXXX camera". Oh, don't get me wrong getting a ribbon would make my year, but I'm taking baby steps first! Wish me luck!
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09/11/2003 07:05:46 PM · #12 |
It doesn't hurt to write the same things you wrote here as a comment to a photo. If you don't think a photo meets the challenge because it's not nostalgic, tell the photographer that rather than just giving low marks and moving on.
Well, that's the opinion of someone with low marks and the comment, "Good composition". They just don't seem to go together. |
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09/12/2003 02:53:58 AM · #13 |
| nostalgia in my dictionary =sentimental remembering or longing for the past |
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09/12/2003 05:35:58 AM · #14 |
Oh noo..... I've 143 votes ... and no Comments!!!
How sad!! |
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09/12/2003 05:50:20 AM · #15 |
I've decided to forego the typical "doesn't meet challenge" and assume everything meets the challenge. Since this is an international site, there are people with many different backgrounds submitting. What is nostalgic to some might mean diddly to me. I'm just going with my view of the quality of the picture.
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09/12/2003 06:41:18 AM · #16 |
Hm, that sort of diminishes the idea of the challenge though. We might as well all upload our best photograph of the week in that case. Just give it a relevant title
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09/12/2003 07:12:28 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by hgpayne:
I've decided to forego the typical "doesn't meet challenge" and assume everything meets the challenge. Since this is an international site, there are people with many different backgrounds submitting. What is nostalgic to some might mean diddly to me. I'm just going with my view of the quality of the picture. |
Surely part of the skill involved in entering one of these challenges (if you want to place well) is to anticipate that we're not all from America (or wherever) and make these shots universal? |
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09/12/2003 07:54:01 AM · #18 |
Judging by a lot of the freedom submissions, I think the majority are from the states.
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09/12/2003 07:54:56 AM · #19 |
Yes, not an easy challenge to vote on.
I have tried in my voting and comments to reflect on both the picture "quality" and whether it meets the challenge. Those that meet the challenge for me are very few because mentioned above nostalgia is very persoanal thing that is hard to give universal meaning.
But there we are then, it is equally a challenge to vote on a subject as it is to interpret it into an image. |
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09/12/2003 12:03:51 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Surely part of the skill involved in entering one of these challenges (if you want to place well) is to anticipate that we're not all from America (or wherever) and make these shots universal? |
That would be a good idea, but nostalgia to me is so biased by cultural influence I think it would difficult if not impossible for that great photographer in a village somewhere in Outer Flotzwhoozets who has never ventured further than his town border to capture a photo that is nostalgic to me. For this particular challenge I would have loved to see the story behind each submission to understand how it invoked that sense of "A bittersweet longing for things, persons, or situations of the past" for the photographer.
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09/12/2003 02:01:14 PM · #21 |
i had a hard time with voting on some of the pictures too.. there were quite a lot that i don't feel fit the challenge.. of course the challenge is very subjective, and i'm sure some people didn't feel my shot fit either. nevertheless, i tried to vote as honestly as i could. some pictures were great pics, but i didn't think fit the challenge, unfortunately.
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09/14/2003 06:22:03 AM · #22 |
just seeing if the link in my sig works this time. i checked 'automatically parse urls' last time though :-/ wish it would show in the preview
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09/14/2003 06:25:57 AM · #23 |
sorry about this. this has to work. if it showed up in preview i wouldn't have to bother you.
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