self-disqualification and apology to team mediocre

08/09/2006 11:25:35 PM · #1

I regret to inform my team that my transportation II entry was illegally edited.

I called myself out on it. I had the basic-edited version in, then I decided it would be a good idea to 'dodge' a small part of it. Then I remembered when I woke up, 'not a good idea'.

In the spirit of maintaining integrity on this site, I immediately called myself out and asked for the disqualification.

I apologize to my team to let them down. This is likely going to kill our score and hurt my own, but I feel this is the right thing.

Good luck to all the other entries.

_eug

Nikon D50

08/09/2006 11:28:28 PM · #2

Good call. Integrity!

pidge

Canon EOS-7D Mark II

08/09/2006 11:35:58 PM · #3

Thanks for your honesty, captain!

fotomann_forever

08/09/2006 11:36:47 PM · #4

Ditto, what -eug said...kudos for integrity.

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

08/09/2006 11:37:34 PM · #5

Originally posted by pidge:

Thanks for your honesty, captain!

I especially feel bad to my team. We have an amazing group that I just tarnished with my thoughtlessness.

Regardless of the outcome, I hope all of you continue to kick a$$.

PS Now we'll likely be 0-4... but I'll be back next round, legal and all. And we'll take the next 6. That will put us close to mediocre =P

Message edited by author 2006-08-09 23:38:35.

yanko

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

08/09/2006 11:38:50 PM · #6

Thanks for letting us know about your integrity. :P

Seriously, nice move.

thegrandwazoo

Nikon D750

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

08/09/2006 11:41:43 PM · #7

Man of honor. Good form.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

08/09/2006 11:48:37 PM · #8

this doesn't feel good...

BeeCee

Nikon D40

08/10/2006 01:01:56 AM · #9

The mistake wouldn't feel good, but doing the right thing should :)

Artyste

Sony Ericsson W810i

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Pentax

08/10/2006 01:11:45 AM · #10

I know this will come across badly, and I don't mean it to, but it has to be said.

What you did was great. Knowing you've done something wrong and acting to correct it is a wonderful thing.

However.. this thread just seems a little too self-serving to me.

I'm not saying you set out to be, but that's how it comes across.

Did we really need the thread? Could you not have apologized to your team members in seperate PMs? You know who they are.

I dunno. I just don't think the rest of DPC really needed to know that you illegally edited an entry and then decided to do the right thing and self-DQ it... To me... it just *feels* like you're going for the "yay me" pat on the back more than anything else. I don't know that you really were.. but that's how it feels.

The last thing we need here are people thinking that doing something right is an opportunity for public praise.. when it should remain something we just do because.. you know.. it's right.

MQuinn

Olympus OM-D E-M1

Olympus 14-54mm f/2.8-3.5 Zuiko Digital Zoom

08/10/2006 01:27:51 AM · #11

Originally posted by Artyste:

Dude im kinda getting sick of this, you keep saying something that makes perfect sense.

NstiG8tr

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

08/10/2006 01:48:17 AM · #12

Originally posted by MQuinn:

Originally posted by Artyste:
I know this will come across badly, and I don't mean it to, but it has to be said.

What you did was great. Knowing you've done something wrong and acting to correct it is a wonderful thing.

However.. this thread just seems a little too self-serving to me.

I'm not saying you set out to be, but that's how it comes across.

Did we really need the thread? Could you not have apologized to your team members in seperate PMs? You know who they are.

Dude im kinda getting sick of this, you keep saying something that makes perfect sense.

yeah, why do have to mess everything up with logic. :-P

Message edited by author 2006-08-10 01:49:13.

David.C

08/10/2006 02:11:19 AM · #13

I didn't read self-promotion into his post at all -- but what if it was self-promoting?

Good advice for a happy life, "Do what you say, say what you do".
No one will know the majority of what you do if you never promote yourself.

Sell a few prints? Tell us
Win a local contest? Great job
Get POTD? you know what to do
Get over nervousness and shoot a few candids? woot!
Make a mistake and make it right again? makes sense to clear the air by apologizing.

Self-promotion is a good thing.

David

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

08/10/2006 08:11:46 AM · #14

Originally posted by Artyste:

I was actually just making it known that the DQ on my profile will be from me, not from someone else who called me out on it. If it seems self-serving, I apologize. I didn't expect to be accused of that.

Ken

Canon EOS-7D

08/10/2006 08:21:39 AM · #15

I don't consider it self-serving - I consider it an example for us all.

You did the right thing, which was most likely harder than the easy thing.

yakatme

Lytro Illum Light Field Digital

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

08/10/2006 08:37:21 AM · #16

This thread wasn't created to be self-serving but if it does serve that purpose to some degree also, then so what???.

I know how Jeff feels because I did something very similar in the Road challenge. I was extremely embarrassed about the mistake that I had made and it was, in fact, important to me that everybody know that I had called for self-disqualification.

Maybe it's a fault inherent in those people cursed with a high level of integrity. We just need to have the matter cleared up the way it should be without the suspicion of cheating.

BTW, he didn't wait to be caught after 40 challenges to admit that he made a mistake, so lay off of him.

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

08/10/2006 08:38:43 AM · #17

Originally posted by mad_brewer:

... You did the right thing, which was most likely harder than the easy thing.

Yep. Kudo's to you Jeff.

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

08/10/2006 08:46:39 AM · #18

Originally posted by yakatme:

Maybe it's a fault inherent in those people cursed with a high level of integrity. We just need to have the matter cleared up the way it should be without the suspicion of cheating.

Integrity has nothing to do with worrying about what other people think of you. I have no problem with this thread, but I do not see it as a sign of high integrity, either. Nor was saintaugust making that claim.

deapee

Kodak V803

Lytro Illum Light Field Digital

08/10/2006 08:51:36 AM · #19

Originally posted by yakatme:

This thread wasn't created to be self-serving but if it does serve that purpose to some degree also, then so what???.

Maybe it's a fault inherent in those people cursed with a high level of integrity. We just need to have the matter cleared up the way it should be without the suspicion of cheating.

BTW, he didn't wait to be caught after 40 challenges to admit that he made a mistake, so lay off of him.

To be completely honest, I find this thread a little confusing personally. Here we have a guy that knowingly cheated and submitted an entry...sure he told on himself, but if he had such a high level of integrity, if he was such an honest guy in the first place, he wouldn't have cheated in the first place.

Maybe he was afraid of getting caught. Maybe he told someone and they threatened him. Either way, we don't know exactly what happened. Can you take his word for it? I certainly can't. He obviously lies because he knowingly checked the box when he submitted his entry.

I mean if you want to think he's a good guy because he told on himself, that's great for you. If you want to think he's great because he didn't cheat 45 times then get caught and wait for then to apologize, that's great too. The fact of the matter is that doing the right thing isn't a reason for praise. Doing the right thing should be expected from each and every one of us.

tumitumi

Canon EOS-10D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

08/10/2006 09:05:25 AM · #20

Originally posted by saintaugust:

From what I read here I understand it like he didn't realize that he was doing something illegal until the next morning.

yakatme

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

08/10/2006 09:11:15 AM · #21

Originally posted by deapee:

Here we have a guy that knowingly cheated and submitted an entry...sure he told on himself, but if he had such a high level of integrity, if he was such an honest guy in the first place, he wouldn't have cheated in the first place.

I don't think it happened in this order. I believe him when he says that he submitted an entry and THEN realized that he had just taken the post processing a step too far. That's exactly what I did, but if I had intended to cheat, then I wouldn't have listed my post processing steps in the photographer's comments when I submitted the entry. It can, and does happen.

It's entirely possible (and I think probable) that this mistake happened just as he described. I chose to discuss it in the remarks of my entry, he decided to do so in a thread. Either way, we both felt that an apology was in order and issued it.

Message edited by author 2006-08-10 09:11:41.

deapee

Kodak V803

Lytro Illum Light Field Digital

08/10/2006 09:11:26 AM · #22

Originally posted by tumitumi:

Originally posted by saintaugust:

I had the basic-edited version in, then I decided it would be a good idea to 'dodge' a small part of it.

From what I read here I understand it like he didn't realize that he was doing something illegal until the next morning.

I dunno...I don't see how anyone that's been a member here since 2004 can accidentally dodge part of a photo for a basic editing challenge and not know they're doing something wrong. I suppose it's remotely possible, but I take what he said to mean that he had the basic editing in, decided it would be ok to just cheat 'a little bit' and then in the morning thought twice about what he was doing.

yakatme

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

08/10/2006 09:12:46 AM · #23

Done

Message edited by author 2006-08-10 09:12:58.

deapee

Kodak V803