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 10/22/2006 11:55:18 AM · #1
I've been using Microsoft Digital Image Library to keyword all my photos, but I'd really prefer to do it via IPTC, so the keywords are retained when the files are moved. I'm looking at low cost/free software to do this, and have found these options. Any opinions from DPCers on these?
XnView
iTag
Exifer for Windows
IDimager

I looked at IrfanView and didn't find it useful for the type of batch IPTC processing I want to do. IDimager looks like it might be good, but I'd really appreceate any input!
 10/22/2006 12:01:37 PM · #2
Atjanks for the links i was thinking of finding some software for this, does this mean when i upload a file to shutterstock it will have the keywords in it all ready?
 10/22/2006 12:04:28 PM · #3
Originally posted by richard42:
Atjanks for the links i was thinking of finding some software for this, does this mean when i upload a file to shutterstock it will have the keywords in it all ready?


If shutterstock reads the IPTC info then yes. You just need to know what fields they look at and what their fields map to in your software.
 10/22/2006 12:04:37 PM · #4
Originally posted by richard42:
Atjanks for the links i was thinking of finding some software for this, does this mean when i upload a file to shutterstock it will have the keywords in it all ready?

I've heard that some of the stock sites will take keywords from the IPTC fields. That's part of the reason I'm looking into this, too.
 10/22/2006 12:54:08 PM · #5
IrfanView is free and will let you edit the IPTC info; I think there's even a Batch function if you have a set of similar images.

Just about all of the popular microstock sites parse the IPTC info, though they all do it a little differently, and they have different rules about how the keywords are formatted, especially if you include multi-word keywords (e.g. "Golden Gate" or "San Francisco").
 10/22/2006 01:05:12 PM · #6
Dumb question, but tagging with keywords in Adobe Bridge doesn't stay with the image permanently?
 10/22/2006 02:53:39 PM · #7
I use PixVue, its really quick and easy, its a free download from their website here: PixVue

10/22/2006 04:57:43 PM · #8
I use iMatch and find its categorisation excellent.
 10/22/2006 11:54:54 PM · #9
Originally posted by photodude:
Dumb question, but tagging with keywords in Adobe Bridge doesn't stay with the image permanently?


Yes they do...

just your thumbs and cr settings could get lost...

Bob
 12/25/2006 08:21:05 PM · #10
I've been looking into this recently and found that there are several pieces of software out there to do this. I've even found software that let's you tag images and upload to multiple microstock sites simultaneously and seamlessly (although it doesn't seem to work for iStockPhoto as I guessed they've changed their input structure since the software was written).

I'm still looking however, as I've found that it's preferable to IPTC tag the original raw file rather than the jpgs created, as if you go back and make any alterations, you lose the tags. Yes, Adobe Bridge does this, but it's a real pain having to first add a keyword to your library and to then select it. I want free text support. The only software I've found that has this is Photomechanic ($150) and I don't have that cash lying around today.

Would be keen to see if anyone has or discovers a free batch IPTC editor for RAW images that supports free text!
 01/09/2007 07:08:51 PM · #11
Originally posted by Count:
I use PixVue, its really quick and easy, its a free download from their website here: PixVue


Thank you. A quick search of DPC forums gave me an answer I can live with. 250 images to upload today - and I'm determined to get them Titled and keyworded first. I HATE KEYWORDING!
 01/09/2007 08:42:59 PM · #12
Originally posted by idnic:
I HATE KEYWORDING!

I second that!
05/27/2009 10:59:40 AM · #13
I was googling this subject when I got back to DPC, man it seems all the roads leads to here :)
Thanks for the info, I am giving Imatch a go, cheers,
05/27/2009 11:38:13 AM · #14
Just wanted to drop the usual plug for Lightroom here. I use it to manage all my stock keywording (as well as manage my entire workflow).

I keep a separate catalog for my stock-submitted shots, to both preserve keywording namespace and to track submission/acceptance in metadata. LR lets you import entire keywording hierarchies as well -- which comes in really handy if you want to use already built or pseudo-standard keyword sets (like for plant/animal naming, etc).

They significantly changed the keywording interface between version 1 and 2, and the new method took some getting used to for really keyword-intensive tasks (like, of course, keywording for stock submission); while I still prefer the way version 1 worked, I've finally come to accept the nuances of 2.

[ edit, as I submit "shots", not "shorts"... :/ ]

Message edited by author 2009-05-27 11:39:48.
 05/27/2009 12:04:11 PM · #15
does anyone know if picasa uses IPTC? i use it for browsing my library of images, and i know it supports tagging, i just don't know where the tags are saved.
 05/27/2009 12:18:47 PM · #16
Originally posted by cdrice:
Just wanted to drop the usual plug for Lightroom here. I use it to manage all my stock keywording (as well as manage my entire workflow).


I'd be more than Happy to use Lightroom if I can find a way to generate the keywords using it. I came to knonw if you have a library of keywordings, then there is no problem, but if you don't .. how would you generate them?
I'd appreciate your advice, regards,
05/27/2009 12:23:17 PM · #17
Originally posted by AmeedEl-Ghoul:
Originally posted by cdrice:
Just wanted to drop the usual plug for Lightroom here. I use it to manage all my stock keywording (as well as manage my entire workflow).


I'd be more than Happy to use Lightroom if I can find a way to generate the keywords using it. I came to knonw if you have a library of keywordings, then there is no problem, but if you don't .. how would you generate them?
I'd appreciate your advice, regards,


how can you ever generate keywords? do any of the software packages support that? and if so, how?
 05/27/2009 01:57:44 PM · #18
Originally posted by AmeedEl-Ghoul:

I'd be more than Happy to use Lightroom if I can find a way to generate the keywords using it. I came to knonw if you have a library of keywordings, then there is no problem, but if you don't .. how would you generate them?
I'd appreciate your advice, regards,


I'm not sure I understand the question. As k4ffy said, how can you ever "generate" keywords? You simply type them in. If you want to make them part of a hierarchy, you can edit each keyword and/or drag and drop them into the hierarchy you desire. If you'd rather use an existing list (something you've typed up yourself, something you've downloaded from somewhere, etc) -- you can simply import a list or entire hierarchy from one or more files.

The real power in LR is how you can then apply those keywords to your managed images -- and there are many different ways to accomplish that.

Here's some night-time reading material:

Applying keywords in LR2 (and here is part 1 of that keywording tutorial)
Using keyword tags in LR2
Video on keywording in LR2
Keywording theory from controlledvocabulary.com

Some creative googling will find many more resources I'm sure.

Message edited by author 2009-05-27 13:58:50.
 05/27/2009 02:13:38 PM · #19
Originally posted by k4ffy:
[quote=AmeedEl-Ghoul] [quote=cdrice] how can you ever generate keywords? do any of the software packages support that? and if so, how?


There are software like ImageKeyworder, it has an interactive dictionary, you type a word then lots of meanings and alternatives appear, you click what you want, and it insert a full group of keywordings in the same time. It is easy as matter of clicks .. but it is not free.
05/27/2009 02:33:36 PM · #20
Originally posted by AmeedEl-Ghoul:
There are software like ImageKeyworder, it has an interactive dictionary, you type a word then lots of meanings and alternatives appear, you click what you want, and it insert a full group of keywordings in the same time. It is easy as matter of clicks .. but it is not free.


That is very interesting. I have to admit, I'd never seen or heard of that software before. It looks like a somewhat glorified interface to similar products as CVKC from controlledvocabulary.com. I do admit the "Alamy mode" feature seems quite interesting. I'm not sure how well that particular software would interface with LR itself (it appears to completely stand-alone), but I admit it's sparked my interest a little. Same price as CVKC (and both include one year of updates), so it seems pretty obvious who they are positioning themselves against.

I now see what you meant by "keyword generation" -- I misunderstood what you were asking, and assumed you were still referring to keyword management.

Aside from CVKC, which I mention above, I'm not familiar with other similar products -- anyone else care to chime in?
05/27/2009 06:32:15 PM · #21
btw i just checked and Picasa does indeed save to iptc comments. i highly recommend picasa if you don't already use it.

Message edited by author 2009-05-27 18:32:29.
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