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11/21/2006 02:40:25 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by hyperfocal:
I just upgraded to an intel mac, and the performance hit wasn't nearly as bad as I thought with CS after I bumped the RAM up (although I have to convert my D200 raw files to DNG files to open them). |
What did you go from, and to ?
I'd be going from a 2.4GHz dual Athlon 64 desktop, with 3Gb memory, to a 2.33Ghz macbook pro. I suppose the laptop harddrive is going to be slower than the desktop drives I've got just now too.
I don't see how it can't be at least 1/4 slower or more than currently. I guess I'll see when Apple sends me this loaner macbook. It just seems like Adobe/ Apple dropped the ball on one of their flagship products.
Message edited by author 2006-11-21 14:42:03.
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11/21/2006 02:44:37 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Well, as Shannon mentioned below, you can always run the PC version using Parallels.
The way I heard it described, by a PC guy no less, was "I've just seen the best PC ever, and it's a Mac." |
Again, I don't want to run a semi-crippled version in a virtual machine, with the overhead of a booted guest OS. That's fine for little apps that don't need a lot of memory or do much swapping.
Photoshop in parallels runs about 25% -33% slower than natively, just FYI (i.e., same machine, bootcamp/ running XP, vs in Mac OS-X via parallels)
and I don't want to reboot every time I want to edit a picture. Photoshop CS2 is already too slow for my liking on 1DII RAW files, on a dual core 2.4GHz AMD system, with 3Gb memory.
I guess that'd be another $100 on top of the Mac purchase, to get a WinXP license, then add on a parallels license, to run photoshop a whole lot slower than my current system. It isn't a compelling argument right now. I'd like to have a Mac, but my main performance limiting app is Photoshop, and currently the situation is a mess on the Mac. When Apple get a decent build working natively, it'll be a better argument.
Here's a macworld quote on photoshop performance:
Even using applications that perform very complex computations, like Photoshop CS2, you’ll see good results. I applied a complex mesh image filter to the same image on the Core Duo mini in three different environments: in OS X (running CS2 via Rosetta, since Photoshop is not yet a Universal Binary application), in Windows XP under Parallels, and in Windows XP running natively via Boot Camp. As you might guess, the Boot Camp XP machine was the fastest, taking 36 seconds to apply the filter. Close behind it, though, was the Parallels XP machine, at 44 seconds—only eight seconds slower. Trailing badly, at 77 seconds, was Photoshop in Rosetta on OS X. So for now, if you are a Photoshop power user with an Intel Mac, you may be better off running it in Windows on your Mac, either via Parallels or Boot Camp. Of course, you’ll need to own a second copy of Photoshop to take advantage of the additional speed. |
I was confused, I should have said "Crossover Software", not Parallels. You only need a CD of Windows, you don't have to actually install Windows. |
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11/21/2006 02:54:22 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I was confused, I should have said "Crossover Software", not Parallels. You only need a CD of Windows, you don't have to actually install Windows. |
Does Photoshop CS2 even work under WINE/ CrossOver ? It is listed in the 'untested' category. Does product activation for CS2 work in WINE ?
Edit: Here's the CS2 FAQ pages It doesn't work well.
You are still going to have most of the same library emulation issues though. The performance is still going to be crappy, if you can jump through the hoops to get registry entries that fake up the registration properly.
Another set of photoshop benchmarks, this time CS2 seems to be about 50% slower in parallels than native.
Again, I'd actually like to switch to a mac, but I don't want to spend a load of money to get a slower system. I want to use the computer, not watch it churn at a wait cursor. This is all getting quite far away from the ideal of 'using' the computer, not fiddling with it, too.
Message edited by author 2006-11-21 14:59:33.
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11/21/2006 03:21:08 PM · #29 |
buy a mac and stick windows on it -- if you're happy with the OS, then $ for $ currently a mac is best bang for buck - the only way you'll get the same spec PC for the same money is if you buy a cheap PSU and Case..
oops just re-read your first post..
you can put the same HDD in PowerBooks as laptops, they're just harder to get to - i know i've just taken one appart and it was a nightmare!
i'd still install windows on the PowerBook, then you'll have great hardware running all your old apps ;) - get one of these ;) //www.apple.com/macbookpro/graphics.html |
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11/21/2006 03:43:22 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
The way I heard it described, by a PC guy no less, was "I've just seen the best PC ever, and it's a Mac." |
You'd better get that little gem trademarked NOW. With the way Macs are coming on so strong, you could sell that one and make a whole lotta apples!! ha |
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11/22/2006 11:51:04 AM · #31 |
Thanks guys for the input. I am starting to feel better about getting into the Mac world now. All I need is a wife-approval certification paper. Does anyone have one of these kicking around anywhere? hehe...
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11/22/2006 11:55:26 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by candlerain:
Thanks guys for the input. I am starting to feel better about getting into the Mac world now. All I need is a wife-approval certification paper. Does anyone have one of these kicking around anywhere? hehe... |
LOL :-)
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11/22/2006 11:59:15 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by candlerain:
Thanks guys for the input. I am starting to feel better about getting into the Mac world now. All I need is a wife-approval certification paper. Does anyone have one of these kicking around anywhere? hehe... |
You can get one here, but she has to sign it I think. Once signed, you are free to buy all the Mac's you want.
Message edited by author 2006-11-22 11:59:24.
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11/22/2006 12:04:20 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by candlerain:
Thanks guys for the input. I am starting to feel better about getting into the Mac world now. All I need is a wife-approval certification paper. Does anyone have one of these kicking around anywhere? hehe... |
You can get one here, but she has to sign it I think. Once signed, you are free to buy all the Mac's you want. |
That's easy enough ... LMAO!
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11/22/2006 12:23:00 PM · #35 |
| I'm PC all the way, more bang for buck and a variety of software (especially when you hit the 3D field). I've been using the same case for ever, and have been upgrading my PC piece for piece whenever prices vs. power were beneficial to me... (i.e. 3D card every year, drives every 2-3 years, etc.). I used to be a Mac fan, but once I started earning my own paycheck, the decision was easy to make. PC by far dominates the market resulting in a larger range of products as well as lower prices due to increased competition. |
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11/22/2006 12:30:18 PM · #36 |
I am soon buying the macbook pro, the mid range version. I think this machine will do tons. I have had a powe book for years and just ready to upgrade. I love the way that I can sync my G5 to it and everything easily transfers, it works well for photos on trips especially. I do not want the 17in just cuz too big to transport on long trips. I have always been happy with my mac purchases, rarely have a problem with them.
And I love the way the graphics are just more aesthetic. It appeals to me, especially since I spend so much time on the computer, I want to look at something smooth and I want ease of getting at my files.
I do not think you would be disappointed with a macbook pro. |
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11/22/2006 05:07:57 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by ladyhawk22:
[Re macbooks] Upgrading's not a problem. You can add more RAM super easy...I've done it myself and I don't even know how to hook up a PlayStation to the TV. Harddrives are a bit more tricky, [...] |
Acutally, in the macbooks upgrading the hard drive is just as easy as upgrading RAM... otherworld computing has a free video that shows how... takes less than 5 minutes. Link here. |
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11/22/2006 05:18:23 PM · #38 |
| If you are not in a rush, I would wait until next spring when Leopard is unveiled. By that time a lot of the kinks with the intel chips will have been ironed out and applications like photoshop etc, will have been able to catch up. |
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11/22/2006 06:56:22 PM · #39 |
| wow they've made it a hell of a lot easier than on an iBook! have to take the case off, then the metal housing, pain in the butt!! |
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11/22/2006 07:23:23 PM · #40 |
I have been a Mac girl for years, just desktops until a few months ago. I got the Macbook 2.0 with the intel chip. I bought refurbished (good deal still a full warranty) so had to upgrade the 512 MG RAM to 1GB myself. It was easy and quick to do. I am currently running all non-intel software on it with no hitches on the Macbook. It was a little laggy once in a while, but really only once in a while, until I got the extra RAM in and is now not noticable. Once Adobe gets that PS upgrade I'm guessing it will just scream like I've never seen. (it's already faster than last year's G5 dual 2.0 tower, just not as expandable.) I can't compare to PC's for you as I'm not and never have been a PC user.
If you want a slightly larger Mactop I have sitting here a MacBook Pro that I helped a friend choose for her first tour into Macworld. I like the pro a lot too and really like that the keys are all subtley illuminated! Also intel dual processor and also refurbished but not the brand new duo core. It's my third refurbished purchase with no issues but shop wisely. Some are better deals than others. You can check out the refurbs on Apple's website.
I think you can upgrade and cross platforms, but don't quote me on it I have only done it once years ago with a non Adobe product. Definitely wait to purchase PS until the intel release slated for the spring so I hear. |
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11/22/2006 09:07:56 PM · #41 |
 Smartypants and I are headed to Minneapolis for the Thanksgiving weekend. My wife needs a new laptop for some of her work-related applications that are not available on any platform except Windows. Guess where we're going shopping?
Yep, the Apple Store at Southdale to buy a new MacBook. Haven't decided which one yet, but the wifey gets her windows apps and we get a spankin' new OSX laptop. I've been running Parallels Desktop on our Intel iMac for a few months now, but may spring for WinXP and use Bootcamp instead. The jury is still out on that part of the deal.
Anybody out there using Windoze regularly on their intel Macs? Which method do you use, Bootcamp, Parallels, or Codeweaver's Crossover?? |
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11/22/2006 10:46:22 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by strangeghost:
...Anybody out there using Windoze regularly on their intel Macs? Which method do you use, Bootcamp, Parallels, or Codeweaver's Crossover?? |
It's funny: of three Windows users I know who've switched to Macs recently not one has gone back to it, after using Mac OS for a week or two.
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11/22/2006 10:47:57 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by strangeghost:
Smartypants and I are headed to Minneapolis for the Thanksgiving weekend. |
Wave on your way by... :) |
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