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12/30/2006 01:39:02 AM · #101 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
As for nudity in the challenges, that's not an issue as far as I'm concerned. Voters need to understand that the possibility of seeing a nude (or even adult themed photo) is very high while voting. So don't vote at work, or with kids around if it's a concern. I don't think it's fair to the DPC community in general to try and place restrictions on images during the voting period (outside of the site content parameters - genitals, etc...).
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But you are restricting the voter either way. You are telling them not to vote at work, which is a restriction. If you are going to have a nudity filter why not have one that works? If you are the person who entered the nude photo do you really want someone that doesn't even want to see it vote on it? |
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12/30/2006 01:48:05 AM · #102 |
Originally posted by Leok:
Interesting question:
Do we want people who don't like nude images to vote on them? I know I don't, they are likely to (unfairly?) vote them low...
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Well, I would think that regardless of the subject matter, we'd rather have people that like our photos voting on them. That's not gonna happen.
I'd like for only people that like kid shots to vote on my images with kids in them.
I'd like for only people that like kitten pictures to vote on my kitten pictures.
I'd like for...well, you get the idea.... |
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12/30/2006 02:09:19 AM · #103 |
Lets just have 2 sites. DPChallenge.com, and DPChallengegonewild.com This should fix any problems we might be having. <--LOL
Seriously, I can't have my kids in the room when I vote because I don't want them viewing nudity. I know there is a fine line, but really I think some of it just doesn't have that artistic flavor. But who is to say.
My verdict, DPC probably not a family site. I give it a PG 13 rating most of the time and an R rating some of the time. Many kids get worse on TV and the internet for sure, but that doesn't make it right.
Message edited by author 2006-12-30 02:50:05. |
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12/30/2006 02:42:27 AM · #104 |
I don't like reading people decrying nudity on a site that primarily teaches an artistic medium and skills however recent changes seem to have addressed what appear to be realistic needs as it regards nude images here. I'd rather see this type of discussion which leads to a flavor of DPC that allows for nudes, gives the artist who is attempting to learn some leeway in fumbling her/his way through a medium and style that can be easily mis-represented or mis-interpreted and yet also strives to keep some expressions of sexuality or nudity relegated so that parents can make personal decisions with some trust that their choices will be respected.
I compare the frequency with which I perceive nude images on DPC with more graphic depictions I've seen over on PhotoSIG.com. It seems that over the last 48 months I've seen more and more sexually explicit photos on that site. Its not that some shots aren't tastefully done but the volume of photos the intimate sexual expression even when such isn't displayed for the user can be off-putting to me. I don't attempt much other than portraits of one style or another but even I become tired looking through page after page of the same thing; to that end, photos of a sexual nature that I might overlook if they occurred less frequently can impact how I perceive a site when their frequency doubles (or more) as has seemed the case on the site I reference (and that is how I perceive others to feel about DPC and nude images cropping up throughout 2006).
On DPC I respect people who don't want to see "non-family" images. I trust that enough categories have been created so that with simple instructions I can tag my photos appropriately to afford me discourse with people who might better be able to guide me as I practice without prompting some unwitting person into an explanation that they may have wanted to save for a later day.
That being said, I don't perceive DPC to be a "family site" (as per Terry's statement earlier in this thread) but I do appreciate its willingness to be flexible enough to allow for "responsible interaction" as any number of parents who frequent this site may choose to define for themselves and their families.
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12/30/2006 12:09:38 PM · #105 |
I just want to thank everyone for sounding off on this subject. My last parting thoughts are this:
The number one thing I'd like to see (which doesn't seem like it will happen) is that when people chose to have a nudity filter turned on that it means it is on for voting too! Hiding nude photos during voting for those who turn the filter on would allow them to vote on photos at work without fear and avoid offending ultra sensative members who believe the site should be a family site. If the filter can be turned on and off at will then even better. If a parent is voting with a child in the room they can turn the filter on and feel more confident they will not see nudes in the voting. When the child leaves the room the parent can turn the filter back off and finish voting on the nudes in the challenge if they choose. People at work can turn it on while at work and turn it off when they get home to finish voting. If a person checks the nude filter it means they don't want to see nudes while the filter is on - period!
Personally I think good photography evokes emotion (either good or bad). Getting a bunch of people ticked off because you crossed the line or offended them still shows you have evoked emotion and to me that means you did something right just as much as the guy or gal who takes a shot that everyone says "Oooo, isn't that pretty!" Both are emotions that have been evoked by the photo which means it was a powerful photo. Score here does not always indicate the power of a photo to evoke emotion.
As long as the rules stay the way they currently are, photographers will be "allowed" to explore nudity and even some adult content themes in their photography but it should be expected that these photos will not score well unless you do it extremly "tastefully." By tasteful I mean that it does not offend the majority of voters. After all, DPC is all about learning to take photographs that have mass appeal since the photos are voted on by the masses. If you shoot nudes or adult content, photographers will have to expect that they will receive angry comments from offended votors. Photographers will have to expect they will get a lecture or two about how immature they are and how immoral they are and how they do not deserve to breath air on this planet. Photographers will quickly learn this going in and will have to decide if their score is important or if comments are more important (including comments from highly offended individuals who feel they have no right to breath air on this planet.) A very controversial shot will get you lots of views and comments and a very low score. Decide what is more important to you and go with it. |
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12/30/2006 12:16:10 PM · #106 |
Originally posted by lkn4truth:
Personally I think good photography evokes emotion (either good or bad). Getting a bunch of people ticked off because you crossed the line or offended them still shows you have evoked emotion and to me that means you did something right just as much as the guy or gal who takes a shot that everyone says "Oooo, isn't that pretty!" Both are emotions that have been evoked by the photo which means it was a powerful photo. Score here does not always indicate the power of a photo to evoke emotion.
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I've held that philosophy for a long time.
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12/30/2006 01:35:58 PM · #107 |
I take no issue with nudity or any other subject. I do take issue with what I consider (and I do not judge a thing before having considered - and I try very hard to consider carefully) shallow, offensive and demeaning images, unless...
the offense constitutes a merit or can be perceived as such.
I, personally, would take no issue with my own child viewing nudity (or any other subject) either, even of an erotic or sexual nature, unless...
these were shallow, offensive images devoid of any real feelings. This would apply to images that appear to have been made for no other purpose than to sell, especially when their appeal is overtly base and associated with the kind of decorum and accoutrements commonly employed to pimp out a naive, ignorant or otherwise unsuspecting model.
I do not believe in employing filters, because I consider these to be entirely ineffective to sort the kind of criteria most of us do not even agree on.
I do believe, however, in being or becoming a filter, and...
I do believe in raising children in an open society that encourages learning and experiencing from life, as opposed to superimposing some sort of a collective, moral stencil or conformity.
I would want my child to grow by learning for himself (and perhaps with a little more guidance than interference), not by conforming to views already too widely held to be anyone's own, but by looking and comparing.
Message edited by author 2006-12-30 13:40:50. |
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12/30/2006 01:50:38 PM · #108 |
I do believe in raising children in an open society that encourages learning and experiencing from life, as opposed to superimposing some sort of a collective, moral stencil or conformity.
YES!!!! |
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12/30/2006 02:22:49 PM · #109 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
unless...
these were shallow, offensive images devoid of any real feelings. |
I couldn't agree more, but that line can't be easily drawn in any particular culture or society.
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