A lot of people are not gonna like my...

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

01/02/2007 10:43:16 AM · #29

Originally posted by TooCool:

Originally posted by cloudsme:
I guess I don't understand the point of expert editing (except for HDR) if you aren't going to do digital art.

And that is exactly why I'm against the newest editing rules set...

Ya know, I can care less about the comment you gave me....whatever.

tate

Apple iPhone 15 Pro

01/02/2007 10:46:54 AM · #30

Haha -- I got the last laugh. I didn't enter! ;P

Marjo

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

01/02/2007 10:48:37 AM · #31

Originally posted by TooCool:

comments or votes in the Harsh Environment challenge...

Originally posted by Expert Editing Rules (trial):
You are encouraged to keep your entries photographic in nature, and voters are encouraged to rate entries accordingly.

Sorry in advance!
TC

Don't be sorry for your interpretation. If it doesn't appear to you to be photographic in nature, so be it! Way to go for voting and commenting!

...Maybe that phrase should be removed and call the challenge editing ruleset "Extreme Editing" (or something to that affect).

goc

Apple iPhone 4

01/02/2007 10:54:19 AM · #32

i don't care, just do it.

:)

Konador

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

01/02/2007 10:56:27 AM · #33

Originally posted by Marjo:

Originally posted by Expert Editing Rules (trial):
You are encouraged to keep your entries photographic in nature, and voters are encouraged to rate entries accordingly.

...Maybe that phrase should be removed and call the challenge editing ruleset "Extreme Editing" (or something to that affect).

Maybe, but that would be against the point of what we were trying to achieve with the rules.

Marjo

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

01/02/2007 10:59:52 AM · #34

I forget. Can you please tell me the intent again?

Konador

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

01/02/2007 11:02:31 AM · #35

It's what it says in the quote/rules... entries which are photographic in nature, while not restricting people to any specific tools or number of exposures.

Brad

Olympus OM-D E-M1

Olympus 40-150mm f/2.8 PRO M.Zuiko

01/02/2007 11:15:08 AM · #36

"This is my vote against the overprocessing rules set... Sorry...
TC"
I can only imagine the vote as well...

TC, it isn't like this is what DPC will become, it's simply a small branch in the tree for those that want to play a bit more artistically, and for those that find the desire to play in this ruleset with no restraints, all the more reason to expand their knowledge and use of their graphics editing software.

Edit to add:
I should know better by now than to say anything or offer a viewpoint.

Message edited by author 2007-01-02 11:59:07.

Marjo

Canon EOS-7D

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

01/02/2007 11:32:06 AM · #37

I'll say it again, way to go Toocool for voting and commenting on your interpretation of "photographic in nature".
Everyone is entitled to vote. To tell him not to vote or enter into a challenge because you disagree/dislike his comments or voting is pretty lame. Nothing new. I'm just reinforcing something that's been said many, many times before.

Allowing more tools and exposures shouldn't change the "photographic in nature" appearance. You can still be artistic and creative. Just check out graphicfunk's work.

levyj413

Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max

01/02/2007 11:47:52 AM · #38

We had this discussion in the scores thread for the sky challenge, and once again people seem to be slamming people for voting in exactly the way the SC asked us to vote.

"Photographic in nature" is open to interpretation. No one gets to tell TooCool, me, or anyone else what that means, and we're encouraged to vote low if we don't think an entry meets that description.

The average scores will inform all of us which images best met that definition and also were good in the average voters' eyes.

Larus, if you hate soft focus, that's not the same thing as voting according to what the ruleset asks. However, if you voted an average of 3.5, that'd still be perfectly fair. High scores aren't "fair," scoring according to your impression is.

Edited to add:
Having said the above, I noted the warm reception given to some images I voted low in sky because I didn't think they were photographic in nature, and thus felt emboldened to try something more radical in the harsh environments challenge. I think that's exactly how this should work: everyone should vote as they interpret "photographic," and over time, a DPC consensus will emerge that we can all use as guidelines. Those might change over time, of course, but then, tastes always will.

Message edited by author 2007-01-02 11:59:46.

raish

Olympus C-2500L

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

01/02/2007 12:14:23 PM · #39

Originally posted by levyj413:

(...) I think that's exactly how this should work: everyone should vote as they interpret "photographic," and over time, a DPC consensus will emerge that we can all use as guidelines. Those might change over time, of course, but then, tastes always will.

The man has spoken.

01/02/2007 05:10:00 PM · #40

Originally posted by Alienyst:

What I don't understand is this - if you are not fond of the challenge rules and you know you will not appreciate the entries as much as another challenge and you are against the editing rules, why take it out on the participants by voting low and leaving less than helpful comments that seem geared more towards your displeasure with the editing rules for the challenge than helpful to the photographer? Why not just ignore the challenge? Seems to me that would be a stronger statement than taking it out on the entries/entrants since it is only the admins who can change the rule sets used for challenges and not the general members.

So I should just sit by the wayside and let slide what seems to me to be a move away from what this site was founded for. This is after all a photography site. Not a digital manipulation site.

Originally posted by Alienyst:

Just seems your effort is misguided and off the mark and you are in no way being fair to anyone. JMHO!

That is your opinion and valid. However, I wanted everyone who I gave low shots too why! I could have done a drive by...

Originally posted by Alienyst:

Oh and thanks for the comment even though everything I did to my shot is legal in Advanced editing. I think you made some assumptions that are not valid based on your dislike for the editing rules.

If you recieved a comment from me that was negative in nature in this challenge, I assure you that I would have commented the same in an Advanced Editing challenge. Look through my entire history of commenting. It's on the record!

01/02/2007 05:11:40 PM · #41

Originally posted by BradP:

It starts as a small branch. It brings in new people because of the branch. They move off into the other areas of the site and bring along what they think should be allowed. Next thing you know this isn't DPC anymore but some mutant grandchild...

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

01/02/2007 05:12:51 PM · #42

Originally posted by American_Horse:

Ya know, I can care less about the comment you gave me....whatever.

That is your perogative. I'm assuming you went beyond the bounds of 'Photograhic in nature'...

Ben

Canon EOS-30D

01/02/2007 05:15:46 PM · #43

I've just got through commenting and voting on all of the entries, some not pleasently.
But at the end of the day it's how i interpret your shot with how i interpret the challenge in mind.
I'm not a 'digital art' fan, but would never penalise someone for using or not using the boundaries of the editing rules.

I just vote on the photograph i see.

01/02/2007 05:16:39 PM · #44

Originally posted by Larus:

Gotta say I agree with timfythetoo and Alienyst on this one, if you are predisposed and biased against a particular challenge, you just shouldnÂ´t vote at all. ...snip...

If you donÂ´t like it, just stay away and let the people who DO like it in peace.

And if I don't like the new prison going into my neighborhood I should just stay away from it and ignore it right? I think not. I think I stand across the street from the sight that it will be erected with a big ass sign showing my discomfort... This is a site that I'm very passionate about and I'm gonna speak up when I think that something is going on that takes away from the core value that it has!

Originally posted by Larus:

Oh and happy new year :)

Message edited by author 2007-01-02 17:35:14.

01/02/2007 05:18:09 PM · #45

Originally posted by Melethia:

The rule set says that we are supposed to!

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 18-135mm f/3.5- 5.6G ED DX

01/02/2007 11:56:14 PM · #46

God, you would not believe a couple of the PM's I've recieved... Small minded, self centered, liberal persons are SOOOO entertaining! Thank you for the laughs!

Rebecca

Nikon D80

01/03/2007 12:08:19 AM · #47

Hmm... I'm not sure I've got my head completely around the Expert rules, but the removal of a major element puts it in that category - if it were to be entered in a challenge. And yet I would still consider this more of a photograph than "digital art". Other than a lot of cloning at the bottom, everything I did was legal in Advanced.

It doesn't have to be a composite or look like something from another planet, but it's a catch-22. If your editing is too good, you'll be accused of not taking advantages of the ruleset (which is silly, by the way, since it's not a requirement that one MUST exploit the rules to the fullest degree). If you make something more in the realm of fantasy, you'll be accused to taking it too far on a site that is accustomed to seeing (mostly) straight-up photos. Drama drama drama...

levyj413

Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

01/03/2007 01:20:30 AM · #48

Originally posted by karmabreeze:

For what it's worth, that's definitely in my personal definition of "photographic in nature."

rayz1

Nikon D300

Nikon NIKKOR AF-S DX VR 55-200 f4-5.6 G IF-ED

01/03/2007 01:53:12 AM · #49

As a rule, I find that most of the comments received are usually helpful, and as such there is no reason to object.Everyone has an opinion and that is fine, but to mark down peoples entries simply because you dont like the rules of the challenge is a bit unreasonable.
As long as the rules are complied with there should not be an issue, and if you dont like the rules of a particular challenge, dont enter, but dont vote either if you are not prepared to be fair

jerowe

Canon EOS-5D Mark II