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06/03/2007 11:47:40 PM · #126 |
Originally posted by L2:
Originally posted by Scholten:
Originally posted by L2:
This is exactly the kind of thread that makes others not want to comment at all. |
I think open and honest discussions about comments we receive can only be helpful and educational. There will always be the occasional smart ass, the obvious idiot, the silly jokers, and those comments that seem so very meaningless. But we need to accept the overall good with the minority bad, and discount that which we can't use for our own betterment. In the mean time, lets talk about the comments we get and learn from other peoples input on what they think might constitute a beneficial or non-beneficial comment. I'm all for freedom of speech. Banning discussions about comments would be so "Gestapo". And I don't believe discussing what we perceive as inappropriate or totally ignorant comments will stop anyone from making comments. In fact, it would more probably do the exact opposite. |
No one is talking about banning discussions about comments. I merely made the observation that complaining about the ones that you do receive isn't at all likely to lead to more or better ones; instead, it is more likely that it will lead to people giving up on commenting altogether. If people were actually having open and honest discussions about what makes a great comment, that's one thing. Here, the main thrust of the original post was to disparage the efforts of others.
It seems that most people who complain about their comments have taken offense where none was intended, or they disagree with the criticism in the name of artistic expression, or they seem to feel that they deserve a better or more thoughtful critique. They otherwise come across as appearing to have a sense of entitlement to the best and most positive comments ever.
The people who do these things really just ruin it for others, but whatever. |
Sorry... I didn't mean to imply you said that. I was responding to several different posts all under your quote. Not too smart of me. But someone did mention banning discussions on commets made.... somewhere. |
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06/04/2007 07:48:07 AM · #127 |
Public self-flogging time.... ;-)
I'd like to apologise to all for having posted this thread in the first place with my heavy-handed approach. I posted the thread originally early in the morning and clearly would have benefited from a bit of coffee or something ;-)
A lot of people feel that threads like these are pointless and discourage people from commenting in the first place, which is a fair point. Also I appreciate that comments mean different things to different people. I can only speak for my own experience so I'll try and explain what I originally meant...
I'm quite new to the site and photography in general so I'd appreciate all kinds of constructive comments as to what I can do differently, different ideas I can try, technical tips etc. I don't mind negative comments as long as they help push me on and increase my skills. The reason I took offence to that particular comment was although it tells me quite a bit (to quote one of your replies) it doesn't tell me what I could have done differently (apart from maybe take a picture of something else altogether) Yes it is nice that they took the time to comment, but if they didn't like the photo that much I'd rather they tell me why.
On the other hand, I can take any number of positive comments that aren't particularly constructive ("nice work" etc) They're not necessarily useful but are nice to receive, a distinction that I believe has already been made in the thread.
In short, I was unhappy about that particular comment but shouldn't have made it into a ridiculing-commenters rant. I do think comments are a very good thing and I resolve to give more in the future. (I'm well aware that I've received more than I've given - in the short time I've been here I've not had time to do much voting and therefore commenting as I've had too much stuff on - I do intend to rectify that)
Thanks to everyone in the thread who expressed my thoughts much more articulately than I originally did ;-) and I apologise to anyone offended.
*hic* I feel full from all the humble pie I've eaten ;-)
Message edited by author 2007-06-04 07:50:33. |
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06/04/2007 08:36:05 AM · #128 |
We all have those kinds of days, Soulman. :)
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06/04/2007 02:43:05 PM · #129 |
I'm piping in a bit late on this one, I'm of the opinion that comments are generally good. Some, such as "ok" are pointless. I've found one of the best ways to learn it to go to a great photographers profile and read comments made. You get to appreciate their insight into a picture and see what attracts their eye.
I do try and offer thoughtful comments and will often times include the score I'm giving. I feel I should at least be honest in my comments and score. I know many also do this and I'm curious what others think - is it ok to leave a score or should we keep it to ourselves?
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06/04/2007 02:51:19 PM · #130 |
Is it too late to point out that it's generally acknowledged that you will learn far more about photography from the comments you make than from those you get? Why worry about the pointless comments; they hurt no one but the commenter ...
Message edited by author 2007-06-04 14:52:10. |
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06/04/2007 07:52:43 PM · #131 |
Okay, I've been giving out comments left and right on the Freestudy. I hope I haven't offended anyone. I am just trying to give constructive critique and mean no ill wishes towards anyone. My gosh, most of my images never make it to the 50% range. I think, who am I to tell anyone what to do with their image? But, in keeping with the spirit of learning I'm making more of a critique instead of just saying, 'cool image.'
Thank you GeneralE for pointing out how this process helps oneself become a better photographer. We all learn. I've learned so much from others commenting on my own images.
Message edited by author 2007-06-04 19:54:52. |
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