Proof on All Winners - DPChallenge Forums

12/24/2003 05:31:57 PM · #101

Angel, so what I hear you are saying is, you, yourself are willing to give up your intellectual rights to your photos, since this isn't addressed in the agreements, for the right to participate. I hope that's not what I hear you saying. You have some great photos!!

Note: I DID NOT quote you. *grin*

12/24/2003 05:34:40 PM · #102

Originally posted by Shiiizzzam:

First off, the FEW I see all in a uproar aka bitching, haven't really ever posted anything I've seen worth stealing. Just my thoughts.

I haven't seen anyones work that was worth steeling. :)
Integrity is worth more than a couple bucks to me.

12/24/2003 05:35:27 PM · #103

Originally posted by deafwolf:

I never said I was giving up my rights. The rules state you should keep the original and that you may be ask for it. I think that's fair.

12/24/2003 05:36:13 PM · #104

Oh no, I think I did quote you....... what happens to me now?

12/24/2003 05:37:38 PM · #105

Originally posted by Gringo:

Originally posted by Shiiizzzam:
First off, the FEW I see all in a uproar aka bitching, haven't really ever posted anything I've seen worth stealing. Just my thoughts.

I haven't seen anyones work that was worth steeling. :)
Integrity is worth more than a couple bucks to me.

So Gringo...do you not feel Drew and Lang are men of integrity ?
I think as long as this site has been going, even through a bunch of whiners, says a lot...don't you ?

12/24/2003 05:39:34 PM · #106

The rules state you should keep the original and that you may be ask for it. I think that's fair.

But now, you have to submit the RAW image to them. Go read the agreement. There is nothing to protect your copyrights against them selling it. Trust isn't an issue here. Intellectual rights are though. The low-quality image used for submission is of on consequence, just he reproduction quality they require without copyright protection.

I swear, I can't be the first person on this site to know about copyright laws and rights of ownership. Surely not. If so, I'm now a minority. hahahaha

12/24/2003 05:40:50 PM · #107

I ment that the other way around.........

"I" would not steel anything. "MY" integrity is worth more than money.

I cant answer for anyone else, but history shows there are quite a bunch of people here I do trust. I've been given no reason not to.

12/24/2003 05:41:40 PM · #108

But yet you post these same images up on the prints site. What's the difference ?

I know the laws as well. I have nothing more to add to this topic. I've said what was on my mind.

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

12/24/2003 05:44:22 PM · #109

Gringo, I really don't think it's a matter of do or don't trust, only a clause of protection to those now being required to submit reproducible, full quality material for verification. I have no reason to not trust anyone on this site. This isn't about trust, just agreements.

I may never sell a photo here. hahahaha

OneSweetSin

Nikon D3000

12/24/2003 05:46:43 PM · #110

Originally posted by Shiiizzzam:

Originally posted by Gringo:
Originally posted by Shiiizzzam:
First off, the FEW I see all in a uproar aka bitching, haven't really ever posted anything I've seen worth stealing. Just my thoughts.

I haven't seen anyones work that was worth steeling. :)
Integrity is worth more than a couple bucks to me.

So Gringo...do you not feel Drew and Lang are men of integrity ?
I think as long as this site has been going, even through a bunch of whiners, says a lot...don't you ?

I think what is being said is by asking for all top 10 finishing photos to have orginals submitted is when the integrity is being lost.

Drew and Langdon are not the only ones getting the orginal files but also all of site council so the integrity of the photographer is being questioned and that what the problem is!

As I said before I wouldn't mind uploading to just one person but to upload to the entire site council means that the site has no trust in me to follow rules...thus the loss of the integrity.

It is one thing to ask for it in the question of dq but to ask of everyone finishing in the top 10 creates the lack of integrity.

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

12/24/2003 05:47:40 PM · #111

I would also like to point out that this is not a "new" rule. from the time I joined dpc over a year ago, I've known that I may have to produce the original if requested, or face dq. All that has changed is that we are now requesting it on the winners each week, instead of randomly.

12/24/2003 05:49:11 PM · #112

Originally posted by deafwolf:

And mk, I'm not a troublemaker. Promise. I'm a business man thatâ��s been in the music and film business for years. My questions and concerns are legitimate and all I as are straight answers.

I think it's perfectly fine to be interested in working out and understanding the copyright agreement. I just think that some of things thrown around here about questioning people's integrity and whatnot is pretty ridiculous.

And just because you pay, does not necessarily mean that the site suddenly tailors to your whim. So you are still welcome to not participate. In general, in response to all complaints.

12/24/2003 05:50:56 PM · #113

As stated HERE

DisqualificationIf the validity of your submitted photograph comes into question, you may be asked to submit your original, unmodified photograph and steps to recreate your submitted photograph from your original photograph. This original photograph must contain valid, unaltered EXIF data. If you are unable to produce your original photo under these circumstances, your photograph will be disqualified. A photograph may only be used in one challenge, even if it is cropped or altered differently to fit another challenge. Duplicate photos will be disqualified. A person may only hold one DPChallenge account and may submit only one photograph per challenge. He will not be able to vote on his own image.

As you can see...nothing has changed. Why is it EVERY topic ends up being a moaning contest ?

12/24/2003 05:51:20 PM · #114

Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

Drew and Langdon are not the only ones getting the orginal files but also all of site council so the integrity of the photographer is being questioned and that what the problem is!

As I said before I wouldn't mind uploading to just one person but to upload to the entire site council means that the site has no trust in me to follow rules...thus the loss of the integrity.

It is one thing to ask for it in the question of dq but to ask of everyone finishing in the top 10 creates the lack of integrity.

So Drew and Langdon asking you for proof is fine but anyone else doing it is questioning your integrity? And a specific DQ against your photo is not questioning your integrity but an overall rule that anyone in the top ten must submit an original IS questioning your integrity? Interesting.

12/24/2003 05:51:56 PM · #115

But it is and has been part of the written rules that if you enter the challenge, you may at any time be asked to submit the originals.

If you don't do what you agreed to do when you decided to enter the challenge, it is YOUR integrity that is in question. The rules have not changed, they are just being enforced because the DQ are getting out of hand.

I think it's important to the site to enforce the existing rules.

OneSweetSin

Nikon D3000

12/24/2003 05:52:56 PM · #116

Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
Drew and Langdon are not the only ones getting the orginal files but also all of site council so the integrity of the photographer is being questioned and that what the problem is!

As I said before I wouldn't mind uploading to just one person but to upload to the entire site council means that the site has no trust in me to follow rules...thus the loss of the integrity.

It is one thing to ask for it in the question of dq but to ask of everyone finishing in the top 10 creates the lack of integrity.

So Drew and Langdon asking you for proof is fine but anyone else doing it is questioning your integrity? And a specific DQ against your photo is not questioning your integrity but an overall rule that anyone in the top ten must submit an original IS questioning your integrity? Interesting.

amazing how you only quote part of it to get another meaning to it.

12/24/2003 05:54:16 PM · #117

And just because you pay, does not necessarily mean that the site suddenly tailors to your whim. So you are still welcome to not participate. In general, in response to all complaints.

As I said before, is this the official (legal) repsonse from the site? I dont think copyright ownership is a "whim".

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

12/24/2003 06:00:58 PM · #118

All digital photo copyrights belong to the photographers and may not be used without permission.

It's written clear enough to me. I don't understand all the clash about it.

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

12/24/2003 06:03:41 PM · #119

Originally posted by Gringo:

All digital photo copyrights belong to the photographers and may not be used without permission.

It's written clear enough to me. I don't understand all the clash about it.

Agreed... I wonder how many photographers on this site actually register their photos with the copyright office? You own the copyright whether you register the images or not, but you can't receive any financial damage payments from anyone unless the images are registered.... just food for thought...

12/24/2003 06:03:44 PM · #120

Originally posted by deafwolf:

Nothing I say is official, which I'm sure you already know. I also said that my response was in general, not necessarily just for your copyright question. Which, hopefully, you noticed I said I had no problem being questioned.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

12/24/2003 06:05:18 PM · #121

Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
Drew and Langdon are not the only ones getting the orginal files but also all of site council so the integrity of the photographer is being questioned and that what the problem is!

As I said before I wouldn't mind uploading to just one person but to upload to the entire site council means that the site has no trust in me to follow rules...thus the loss of the integrity.

It is one thing to ask for it in the question of dq but to ask of everyone finishing in the top 10 creates the lack of integrity.

So Drew and Langdon asking you for proof is fine but anyone else doing it is questioning your integrity? And a specific DQ against your photo is not questioning your integrity but an overall rule that anyone in the top ten must submit an original IS questioning your integrity? Interesting.

amazing how you only quote part of it to get another meaning to it.

The only part I took out was this: I think what is being said is by asking for all top 10 finishing photos to have orginals submitted is when the integrity is being lost.

Does that change the meaning?

Artifacts

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

12/24/2003 06:10:47 PM · #122

It is not very much fun to win your first ribbon because of a controversial DQ. I know, I did.

Whenever that happens everyone feels bad.

I will repeat here what I posted in another thread....

It should be standard policy to request originals for top images in every challenge BEFORE the challenge closes to minimize the probablity of DQs of ribbon winners. If they are DQed before results are posted it would be better for all concerned.

I believe the vast majority of DQ's result from honest mistakes and that we should NOT institutionalize punishments for violations. We are here to have fun, learn and make friends. We are not here to bicker over results.