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 06/08/2007 09:47:05 AM · #1
This year I decided that I needed a dSLR and there was nothing my parents could get my for christmas other than that because that was all I wanted. I did a crapload of research and went to a couple stores and decided I wanted the new 'Sony' A100 because of its cool stabilization system and because it was new and cool and all the people at all the stores were all like yahhhhh buy it now buy it....which could have been just because it is expensive. So anyway, I am thinking about buying some lenses for it but the more I think about it the more I wonder if I would be better off with a cannon. Also the raw version that 'Sony' a100 creates cannot be edited in photoshop which is a little frustrating. If I get any lenses for the 'sony' it wont fit on a canon which I eventually want to buy and I feel like i might have made a mistake. I am using a Nikon D70 which is owned by my work and i really like how quiet the shutter is and yeah..... so any opinions?

Message edited by author 2007-06-08 09:49:10.
 06/08/2007 09:50:33 AM · #2
for sure once you choose a body, you kinda choose in fact a whole system (lenses etc.), and will probably be stuck with it for several bodies. Why do you already know that you want to switch to canon? But if it's indeed the case, better switch sooner than later.

Now the 'sony' is good, and they are announcing more new lenses (and bodies). So you should be happy for some time.

Now may I venture a question: I see from your profile that you have a nikon D70? why switch to canon?

Message edited by author 2007-06-08 09:52:27.
 06/08/2007 09:51:55 AM · #3
The 'Sony' isn't bad at all, although some may argue with me on that one. Your lens choices with Canon are going to be far more extensive and widespread. They may also be cheaper than the equivalent 'Sony' lens. The only think I can say is that if you want to change, do it now before you have a lot more invested in lenses and accesories. You won't be disappointed with any of the Canon line and the older 350D (Rebel XT) now goes for $620ish WITH the kit lens brand new.
 06/08/2007 09:55:14 AM · #4
missed the photoshop question.

Have you upgraded camera raw to v. 3.5? it's supposed to be compatible with the A100
 06/08/2007 09:56:12 AM · #5
Originally posted by mouten:
missed the photoshop question.

Have you upgraded camera raw to v. 3.5? it's supposed to be compatible with the A100


I missed it too, and yeah he's right. Adobe is constantly updating the camera raw program to make it compatible with the latest and greatest out there.
 06/08/2007 09:58:05 AM · #6
I ran into the exact same issue when I bought my Olympus. I didn't research the lenses just the body before I bought it. I went to the store for a canon rebel but they were out of them. The store said 'you REALLY want this one instead!' If I didn't buy a camera that day I would probably have to wait another year so I bought it. Little did I know the lenses for it are so astronimical that they are not affordable for me at all. Even 2 yrs later they haven't come down in price. I love the camera but I shouldn't have bought it. I have had a ball with the kit lenses and I have learned so much on it. Now I have to switch systems so I can get some really cool glass!

Now for the big question. Canon or Nikon... ;)

Oh have you researched to see if 'Sony' offers an adapter ring for other lenses to be used on your camera?

Message edited by author 2007-06-08 10:00:37.
 06/08/2007 10:08:38 AM · #7
As others have said, if you're going to switch, do it soon before you spend any more money on stuff for the 'Sony'.

That said, if you're already familiar and comfortable with a D70 from using it at work, why not consider a D70s or D80 of your own? Then you might even be able to borrow some of the possibly nicer lenses from work.
 06/08/2007 11:58:37 AM · #8
I'm going to put this here for sake of not hijacking:
Originally posted by jclairemcphotos:
Thanks for the replys, at work they only have the d70 and the normal lense that comes with it and nothing else. I am not sure if I want to get a d80 because doesn't canon have something better out there? I am going to look into the adaptor ring because if that is the case i may just buy cannon lenses and use an adaptor until i get a canon. i love the 'sony' i just want a really good range of lenses at good prices that i can use with it


Canon does have better ones (30D (same level), 5D, 1D series) but so does Nikon (D200, D2X, etc). The thing you have to understand about the adaptor ring is that it's not magic. You won't be able to autofocus, you won't be able to auto meter, and I'm not even sure if the IS will work with them. The adaptor will more or less turn every lens into a fully manual lens. This tends to suck a lot more cause Canon EF lenses do not have an aperture ring. That means that every shot you take with the adaptor would be wide open.

In my opinion, if you want to eventually ditch the 'Sony' line just do it now instead of messing around with adaptor rings and all that. If you can't afford to do it right now, just wait. You'll be much happier in the long run if you do.
 06/08/2007 12:21:22 PM · #9
thanks!
 06/08/2007 12:31:31 PM · #10
The price of your camera has dropped dramatically since its initial release so if you really want to trade your camera, do trade it now while 'Sony' hasn't released a new DLSR body yet.

You cannot go wrong with either Canon or Nikon and even the Pentax. The third party lenses like Sigma or Tokina, etc are already producing quality lenses so you have a lot of options.
I hope that helps in some ways. :)

06/08/2007 12:38:30 PM · #11
In the vein of trying to plan for the future...keep in mind that some lenses are made specifically for cropped sensor cameras. If you have any notion of going to a full-frame sensor one day, these lenses will not work properly with those cameras.
 06/08/2007 12:43:53 PM · #12
Originally posted by pekesty:
In the vein of trying to plan for the future...keep in mind that some lenses are made specifically for cropped sensor cameras. If you have any notion of going to a full-frame sensor one day, these lenses will not work properly with those cameras.


True, but lenses retain their value very well, so you can always sell them if they will not work with a new camera.
 06/08/2007 12:50:32 PM · #13
im walking out the door and can't read all of this but I wanted to say...

I used the Nikon... I think D70 at work and I really didn't like it as compared to my canon rebel. Works well, they are both good cameras of course but I just like the controls on the canon better and it seemed the nikon had a lot of useless buttons that were obnoxious (like scrolling through the photos were the up and down buttons instead of left and right and the left and right popped up annoying screens). It was an older model and heavier too, I don't know what the newer ones are like.
 06/08/2007 12:51:36 PM · #14
Originally posted by escapetooz:
im walking out the door and can't read all of this but I wanted to say...

I used the Nikon... I think D70 at work and I really didn't like it as compared to my canon rebel. Works well, they are both good cameras of course but I just like the controls on the canon better and it seemed the nikon had a lot of useless buttons that were obnoxious (like scrolling through the photos were the up and down buttons instead of left and right and the left and right popped up annoying screens). It was an older model and heavier too, I don't know what the newer ones are like.


Hater...

:-P
 06/08/2007 12:59:03 PM · #15
How dare you bad mouth my heavy as a brick D70 with wierd buttons! It is great because then Canon users don't know how to use it...

Originally posted by escapetooz:
im walking out the door and can't read all of this but I wanted to say...

I used the Nikon... I think D70 at work and I really didn't like it as compared to my canon rebel. Works well, they are both good cameras of course but I just like the controls on the canon better and it seemed the nikon had a lot of useless buttons that were obnoxious (like scrolling through the photos were the up and down buttons instead of left and right and the left and right popped up annoying screens). It was an older model and heavier too, I don't know what the newer ones are like.
06/08/2007 01:36:55 PM · #16
Ok so if I was to sell my camera, what would be the best medium to sell it in? Ebay? I feel bad because I have only had it 6 months and my parents went through alot to get it for me, and if I did sell it, what would be the best buy for 1000 dollars that is a cannon with a lense?
 06/08/2007 02:00:26 PM · #17
Originally posted by escapetooz:
im walking out the door and can't read all of this but I wanted to say...

I used the Nikon... I think D70 at work and I really didn't like it as compared to my canon rebel. Works well, they are both good cameras of course but I just like the controls on the canon better and it seemed the nikon had a lot of useless buttons that were obnoxious (like scrolling through the photos were the up and down buttons instead of left and right and the left and right popped up annoying screens). It was an older model and heavier too, I don't know what the newer ones are like.


I don't know about the D70, but there's an option on the D200 to flip which does what (left/right vs. up/down and previous/next vs. various info screens.

As for "annoying" screens, if you don't know how to use the histogram and other info, I suggest you learn about it - there's a lot of good info on those screens!
 06/08/2007 02:18:21 PM · #18
Originally posted by jclairemcphotos:
Ok so if I was to sell my camera, what would be the best medium to sell it in? Ebay? I feel bad because I have only had it 6 months and my parents went through alot to get it for me, and if I did sell it, what would be the best buy for 1000 dollars that is a cannon with a lense?


I have no idea about where or how to sell it, you could try to sell it on here if you want but I don't know how far you'd get.

You can get a brand new Canon 350D (rebel xt) for $620 now with a kit lens. Add on a nice Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 SP ($350ish) and you'd be set for a while.

Message edited by author 2007-06-08 14:18:41.
 06/08/2007 08:59:58 PM · #19
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by escapetooz:
im walking out the door and can't read all of this but I wanted to say...

I used the Nikon... I think D70 at work and I really didn't like it as compared to my canon rebel. Works well, they are both good cameras of course but I just like the controls on the canon better and it seemed the nikon had a lot of useless buttons that were obnoxious (like scrolling through the photos were the up and down buttons instead of left and right and the left and right popped up annoying screens). It was an older model and heavier too, I don't know what the newer ones are like.


I don't know about the D70, but there's an option on the D200 to flip which does what (left/right vs. up/down and previous/next vs. various info screens.

As for "annoying" screens, if you don't know how to use the histogram and other info, I suggest you learn about it - there's a lot of good info on those screens!


well canon has that too but not on the arrows! that's what was annoying. i would be shooting 60 kids a day and speed is everything and I go to review and dang! there is this grey screen covering their face!!

Message edited by author 2007-06-08 21:00:11.
 06/08/2007 09:09:02 PM · #20
The D70 shutter is quiet? Holy crap the 'Sony' must be loud.
 06/08/2007 09:16:16 PM · #21
As for RAW not being editable in Photoshop, you can update a RAW update from the Adobe site (I just did for my camera for PSE5). The 'Sony' RAW format is available in the updates.
 06/08/2007 09:16:54 PM · #22
Originally posted by wavelength:
The D70 shutter is quiet? Holy crap the 'Sony' must be loud.


i was going to address that too... lol. that's what my boyfriend always said when i tested my nikon camera from work at home.. "I hate that sound!"

I think hearing it oh... at least 400 times a day I learned to tune it out... along with the screaming children.
 06/08/2007 09:17:22 PM · #23
I have only used the Canon Digital Rebel 300D. I would recommend the Rebel XT. It has a bigger review screen. Few more options. Larger sensor. And then Canon has tons of lenses and other brands made for canon to. I bought mine for way too much. Something like 999.00 3 years ago. If you are trying to save some money get a used Rebel 300D and the battery grip. You can always trade up in a few months if you don't like it. And since it isn't as much as 3 years ago you won't spend as much.
 06/08/2007 09:34:08 PM · #24
For anyone wondering, the shutter noise on the D200, and I think the D80 also, is much better than the D50/70/100. Someone with the D80 could confirm, I know thegrandwazoo has had both.

I think the RebelXT is probably the best deal going right now also. There's always a 20d or two on ebay, and you can check fredmiranda.com if you want to buy from another photog.

06/08/2007 09:58:12 PM · #25
Originally posted by SamDoe1:
You can get a brand new Canon 350D (rebel xt) for $620 now with a kit lens. Add on a nice Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 SP ($350ish) and you'd be set for a while.

I second that! The only thing I would change is the Rebel XTi over the Rebel XT. Compare them along with your 'Sony' at www.dpreview.com.
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