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10/20/2007 11:26:59 AM · #1 |
I have done everything I can to keep photos from being swiped off of my page, other than put an ugly watermark on them. Yet despite all of this, all someone has to do is click the photo and drag it to another window, and bam, they can swipe the photo.
So, my question is this. Can we as photographers sue Microsoft?
Here is my reasoning....
The recording industry sued and shut down Napster because they created a product that allowed people to share music, or as they put it, steal music.
Microsoft has created a product that allows Web surfers to steal our photographs....aren't they as "guilty" as Napster?
Maybe I am wrong with all of this, or maybe there is another JavaScript code I need to add to may pages to prevent this that I don't know about, but it seems to me we should all file a class action lawsuit!
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10/20/2007 11:38:47 AM · #2 |
| Aside from all the technical reasons that make this frivolous, consider that Napster existed for the sole purpose of music sharing. Microsoft does not exist for the sole purpose of distributing your photos for others to steal. |
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10/20/2007 11:40:20 AM · #3 |
Very true, but they have programmed their software to allow it to happen...
Originally posted by Louis:
Aside from all the technical reasons that make this frivolous, consider that Napster existed for the sole purpose of music sharing. Microsoft does not exist for the sole purpose of distributing your photos for others to steal. |
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10/20/2007 11:43:12 AM · #4 |
| Can we sue a tool manufacturer if a burglar uses one of their crowbars to pry open a window? |
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10/20/2007 11:45:32 AM · #5 |
People are suing gun companies because their loved ones were shot with guns....or McDonalds because they ate too much food there.
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Can we sue a tool manufacturer if a burglar uses one of their crowbars to pry open a window? |
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10/20/2007 11:45:47 AM · #6 |
...and fertilizer is made to enhance growth in crops, and we all know what some people have used it for.
Sorry, no support from me on this one.
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10/20/2007 11:47:13 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by BHuseman:
People are suing gun companies because their loved ones were shot with guns....or McDonalds because they ate too much food there.
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Can we sue a tool manufacturer if a burglar uses one of their crowbars to pry open a window? |
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... and the results of these lawsuits are??? |
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10/20/2007 11:47:48 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by BHuseman:
Very true, but they have programmed their software to allow it to happen... |
No they haven't. They've created software that, given the nature of the environment in which it's used, makes copying images trivial. To answer your second question, no, there's nothing you can do by way of script that's going to prevent this from happening. And by the way, it doesn't matter whose software you're using - Microsoft's, Apple's, Firefoxsss s s sss... as I said, browsers are a product of the environment in which they're used. By its nature, that environment, when finally presented to an end-user, is "insecure" (not a good word for it, because whatever's been delivered to the end user isn't supposed to be secure anyway).
Edit: fixed the odious "it's"...
Message edited by author 2007-10-20 11:48:37. |
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10/20/2007 11:48:13 AM · #9 |
| Can I sue any car manufacturer when one of their cars cause an accident b/c the drivers was driving over 90mph, well above the speed limit in the US. They did manufacture their vehicle to exceed the speed limit, they should have some liablility, right? |
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10/20/2007 11:49:55 AM · #10 |
Can you sue? Yes.
Will you win? No.
Will your lawyers make money? Yes.
Will Microsoft change its' software engineering? No.
I think that about covers it. |
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10/20/2007 11:51:45 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by BHuseman:
People are suing gun companies because their loved ones were shot with guns....or McDonalds because they ate too much food there.
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Can we sue a tool manufacturer if a burglar uses one of their crowbars to pry open a window? |
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Just b/c people are suing other companies doesn't make it right. I don't know about other countries but in the US we want to blame everyone but the person who actually perpetrated the offense. We need to get back to personal responiblitly, imo. |
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10/20/2007 11:52:57 AM · #12 |
| The only lawsuit tht was won aginst mcdonalds was one claiming that it was shown in commercials that it was beneficial to your health to have it every day. Thats false advertising. The reason napster was illegal, and programs like kazaa and limewire arent is because the sole purpose of the program was to distribute music illegally. because file-sharing is not illegal, kazaa and limewire will not be sued, only the people who share music on them. |
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10/20/2007 12:10:17 PM · #13 |
One big difference is that recording companies weren't putting their music on Napster.
You are willingly submitting your work to the internet.
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10/20/2007 12:21:00 PM · #14 |
| Doesn't anybody take responsibility for their own actions? If you are really mad at your pictures being stolen, go after the people who steal them. Microsoft isn't perfect, but they have done a lot more good in the world than harm. The main people lawyers benefit are themselves. |
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10/20/2007 12:21:50 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by BHuseman:
So, my question is this. Can we as photographers sue Microsoft?
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Certainly you can. Expect Microsoft's lawyer to point out that Windows was developed long before the internet was a public thoroughfare. It was developed before digital cameras existed in a practical form. I humbly ask this suit be dismissed as the wrong culprit has been charged. You should go after the Joint Photographic Experts Group. They willfully and wantonly developed the largest unsecured method of image distribution on the planet. It's almost as if their aim was to make distributing images as easy as drinking water.
Message edited by author 2007-10-20 12:23:10.
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10/20/2007 12:22:20 PM · #16 |
a. Microsoft is not forcing you to use the software.
b. Computer manufacturers are also responsible (the printscreen key).
c. Linux/Mac and all software vendors provide the same type problems on the OS. So no, Microsoft is not the only one.
d. Stop blaming Microsoft for all of your problems.
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10/20/2007 12:25:37 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by BHuseman:
I have done everything I can to keep photos from being swiped off of my page, other than put an ugly watermark on them. Yet despite all of this, all someone has to do is click the photo and drag it to another window, and bam, they can swipe the photo.
So, my question is this. Can we as photographers sue Microsoft?
Here is my reasoning....
The recording industry sued and shut down Napster because they created a product that allowed people to share music, or as they put it, steal music.
Microsoft has created a product that allows Web surfers to steal our photographs....aren't they as "guilty" as Napster?
Maybe I am wrong with all of this, or maybe there is another JavaScript code I need to add to may pages to prevent this that I don't know about, but it seems to me we should all file a class action lawsuit! |
In this day and age, you can sue anyone for any reason. Will you win any money? No. Even if they were guilty, a multi billion dollar corporation isn't going to allow their feature product to become compromised. |
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10/20/2007 12:39:03 PM · #18 |
Maybe we could sue Al Gore for inventing the internet? Doh!
...runs and hides |
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10/20/2007 12:40:16 PM · #19 |
| I didn't read the post but sure, let's sue Microsoft. |
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10/20/2007 12:41:28 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by BHuseman:
Maybe I am wrong with all of this, or maybe there is another JavaScript code I need to add to may pages to prevent this that I don't know about, but it seems to me we should all file a class action lawsuit! |
Actualy someone can fire they're Canon or Nikon (or whatever) against the monitor and capture the image... a little cropping and pp and done as new !
Sue Nikon & Canon too for letting this happen... shame on them for letting people fotographing someone else images!
Originally posted by cloudsme:
Doesn't anybody take responsibility for their own actions? If you are really mad at your pictures being stolen, go after the people who steal them. |
^- what he said.
-N.
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10/20/2007 12:44:44 PM · #21 |
Or just stop posting them on the internet...?
Nahhh! |
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10/20/2007 12:45:54 PM · #22 |
i think we should include us in the suit ..
if we sue ourselves for posting the pictures on line thus allowing the images to be stolen --
..we win if we win + we win if we lose..
of course -we could settle out of court as well .. |
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10/20/2007 12:52:48 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by ralph:
i think we should include us in the suit ..
if we sue ourselves for posting the pictures on line thus allowing the images to be stolen --
..we win if we win + we win if we lose..
of course -we could settle out of court as well .. |
Nice!
Put them in a Flash viewer. They can't right-click and download. I've even seen some Flash files that turn black when you hit the Print Screen button. |
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10/20/2007 12:59:20 PM · #24 |
I'm not sure if anyone has pointed this out, but the problem has nothing to do with Microsoft. You can steal images using a mac and Netscape, without a single MS product installed on your computer. The "problem" is inherent in the way the internet, and the www, are set up. They were designed to facilitate free and easy exchange of information in a borderless environment.
R.
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10/20/2007 01:06:27 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I'm not sure if anyone has pointed this out, but the problem has nothing to do with Microsoft. You can steal images using a mac and Netscape, without a single MS product installed on your computer. The "problem" is inherent in the way the internet, and the www, are set up. They were designed to facilitate free and easy exchange of information in a borderless environment.
R. |
sue the internet! |
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