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10/30/2007 08:32:07 PM · #1 |
Hey, I care just as much about fighting cancer, disease, poverty, and the world's ills as the next guy.
But DPC is not the place for this, and I will NOT be badgered into it and denigrated if I don't.
And the concept of asking the administrators here to support your pet cause is particularly selfish because you put them in a spot.
Whose cause do they say is most important?
And then where do they draw the line?
You're damn right I care about breast cancer awareness, and the drive to fund research.
My mother died of it when I was 20.
But is that research any more important than the Alzheimer's research that could made a difference in my mother-in-law's case?
She's alive, but scared and confused, she is constantly at our throats because we're the only people she relates to any more to a point where she has driven her daughter, my wife, away in tears repeatedly.
Is that cause any more important than the CASA organization that exists for abused and neglected children?
I sit on the board of directors at a state level there, and some of the finest men and women I have ever met in my life dedicate their time, effort, and money to this fine cause.....as do I.
And someone stated that we as a member body don't care because they haven't donated to *their* cause?
That's just not right!
So let's remember to ask nicely if you have something that you favor and choose, but just because others concentrate their time money and efforts in other exemplary places and not your cause does not make them any less loving, caring, and concerned.
And PLEASE let's keep this site for photography and not turn it into something it's not intended to be.
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10/30/2007 08:38:07 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
So let's remember to ask nicely if you have something that you favor and choose, but just because others concentrate their time money and efforts in other exemplary places and not your cause does not make them any less loving, caring, and concerned.
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Jackson, as a 'fundraiser' for my own particular chosen charity I was at first embarrassed by your post but then I got to the statement above and decided I wasn't going to be made to feel bad about something I care passionately about.
Instead I'd like to point you back to your above statement and ask that YOU read the first line of it to yourself a few times.
You might also want to remember that most of us here at DPC are proud to be part of a community that allows us to speak about MANY subjects, the main being photography, and those who don't wish to read things non photography related have the choice to hide those sections.
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10/30/2007 08:44:01 PM · #3 |
Thank You JEB! Well said! And thank you for your charity work!
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10/30/2007 08:47:45 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by talj:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
So let's remember to ask nicely if you have something that you favor and choose, but just because others concentrate their time money and efforts in other exemplary places and not your cause does not make them any less loving, caring, and concerned.
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Jackson, as a 'fundraiser' for my own particular chosen charity I was at first embarrassed by your post but then I got to the statement above and decided I wasn't going to be made to feel bad about something I care passionately about.
Instead I'd like to point you back to your above statement and ask that YOU read the first line of it to yourself a few times.
You might also want to remember that most of us here at DPC are proud to be part of a community that allows us to speak about MANY subjects, the main being photography, and those who don't wish to read things non photography related have the choice to hide those sections. |
I think Jeb is referring to this recent thread
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10/30/2007 08:48:47 PM · #5 |
What  Talj said (and turns signature on).
I'll add, if your against posts then maybe forward your issues to the site council rather than start a new thread and highlight things (especially if you are being badgered by people) or simply ignore them.
Message edited by author 2007-10-30 20:49:26.
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10/30/2007 08:54:11 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
I think Jeb is referring to this recent thread |
Fair play, but, sometimes people should take things up away from the public arena if they are that riled. Instead the OP has taken a very blatant attack and in the 'crossfire' has possibly upset more than just me...but hey, DPC is the place for that right? Photography and ranting about totally photography related subjects
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10/30/2007 08:59:18 PM · #7 |
I'm not sure what triggered this, Jeb, but I agree that badgering members is out of line.
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10/30/2007 09:38:45 PM · #8 |
OK... fair enough, but just to clarify, this is coming from someone that supports taking all non-photography threads off DPC.
From experience, I'm sure if Langdon has a problem with the actions of certain members, he will let them know.
Anyway, that's my two cent donation to the cause.
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10/30/2007 09:56:24 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Is that cause any more important than the CASA organization that exists for abused and neglected children?
I sit on the board of directors at a state level there, and some of the finest men and women I have ever met in my life dedicate their time, effort, and money to this fine cause.....as do I. |
Sorry if I am hijacking this thread, but I just had to agree with you about the men and women of CASA! They are incredible people, are truly dedicated to their cause and have made HUGE differences in the lives of a great many children! Thanks JEB for your contributions towards this cause.
Chuck
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10/30/2007 09:57:54 PM · #10 |
Charity begins at home.
Help out one of your own. :P |
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10/30/2007 09:59:36 PM · #11 |
My personal thought is, "Who cares?" If you want to donate, donate, if not, don't.
People will always be asking for donations to one cause or another. There's no need to get all up in a fuss about it and run them off.
OK, well, I admit I probably did scare the Sierra Club guy looking for donations to fight logging when I came around to the front of the house with a chainsaw in one hand, covered in sawdust, but that wasn't intentional. I swear. |
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10/30/2007 10:00:30 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Charity begins at home.
Help out one of your own. :P |
My son is selling popcorn for Cub Scouts... |
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10/30/2007 10:02:29 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
OK, well, I admit I probably did scare the Sierra Club guy looking for donations to fight logging when I came around to the front of the house with a chainsaw in one hand, covered in sawdust, but that wasn't intentional. I swear. |
LMAO!
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10/30/2007 10:11:53 PM · #14 |
Did anyone get a shot of this badger?
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10/30/2007 10:41:46 PM · #15 |
Jeb, I was just telling someone this morning how much I liked you because you make sense when you post.
I still like you, and think you make a lot of sense. I wouldn't want to be badgered either. Fundraisers have been done here in the past (as has been mentioned) so we obviously aren't breaking any rules.
However, no one PMed you and badgered you to donate anything did they?
No one called you out specifically about your choice to not donate did they? No. We did not.
The original thread was started as a challenge suggestion. That is why it is where it is.
A close friend of mine has a mother who battled breast cancer and that fund raiser is how he chooses to show some love for her and others going through this. He recently photographed 2 weddings pro-bono for a woman (in the first, she was the bride, in the second, she was the grooms mother) that died just 3 weeks later from breast cancer. His heart is huge and he is a very giving, kind person. He doesn't want to harm anyone. He is just trying to give a little of what he can afford to help others.
You are right, it is not more important than other types of illnesses. But, it is the one we chose to support. You have one yourself I see. But you don't see us calling it out or putting it down. Your choice is to support what you find worthy. Right?
I don't agree with the thread that was locked. I think DPC is a huge, giving community full of photographers with big hearts. I also agree that we didn't make it easy to find the donate button. We did our best though and continue to come up with new ideas to meet our goals.
I am asking begging you and everyone else that has ranted about our chosen charity to please stop. You all have things that are important to you. We get that. But this happens to be important to us. Please don't yell at us anymore.
Thank you. |
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10/30/2007 10:45:41 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by TCGuru:
I am asking begging you and everyone else that has ranted about our chosen charity to please stop. You all have things that are important to you. We get that. But this happens to be important to us. Please don't yell at us anymore.
Thank you. |
Johnna, thank you for putting into words what I failed to do in both my previous posts in this thread!
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10/31/2007 12:10:57 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by TCGuru:
Jeb, I was just telling someone this morning how much I liked you because you make sense when you post.
I still like you, and think you make a lot of sense. I wouldn't want to be badgered either. Fundraisers have been done here in the past (as has been mentioned) so we obviously aren't breaking any rules.
However, no one PMed you and badgered you to donate anything did they?
No one called you out specifically about your choice to not donate did they? No. We did not.
The original thread was started as a challenge suggestion. That is why it is where it is.
A close friend of mine has a mother who battled breast cancer and that fund raiser is how he chooses to show some love for her and others going through this. He recently photographed 2 weddings pro-bono for a woman (in the first, she was the bride, in the second, she was the grooms mother) that died just 3 weeks later from breast cancer. His heart is huge and he is a very giving, kind person. He doesn't want to harm anyone. He is just trying to give a little of what he can afford to help others.
You are right, it is not more important than other types of illnesses. But, it is the one we chose to support. You have one yourself I see. But you don't see us calling it out or putting it down. Your choice is to support what you find worthy. Right?
I don't agree with the thread that was locked. I think DPC is a huge, giving community full of photographers with big hearts. I also agree that we didn't make it easy to find the donate button. We did our best though and continue to come up with new ideas to meet our goals.
I am asking begging you and everyone else that has ranted about our chosen charity to please stop. You all have things that are important to you. We get that. But this happens to be important to us. Please don't yell at us anymore.
Thank you. |
I was trying to make the point of how horrified that I was that someone could state that after a plea for supposrt, A MERE TWO HOURS LATER, THIS WAS POSTED:
"I thought DPC was a caring community!
2 hours and nothing! I recall people here giving for a new camera for a member. I guess I am mistaken thinking people here cared.
It seems unless it is a material item and kudos points can be scored, it doesn't matter.
Fine, but if that is the attitude of members here, then I don't belong here. I don't have much money, but I have given. I have Cancer, as do others here, but that doesn't seem to count."
That seems pretty clear to me that the community as a whole was being blasted, and since my mom died of breast cancer, I don't have to take that sh*t from anyone.
Do you for one second think that I could possibly be opposed to supporting breast cancer research?
What I was also trying to point out is that there are so many worthy causes, that it's wrong to even entertain the idea that any one is more important than the other and that there are way too many people that do more than they have to because their hearts are good and they don't feel the need to trumpet it from the rooftops.
If you and I were sitting somewhere having lunch and a young man/woman with a bright smile and a polite manner had a white cup with a pink ribbon stopped by the table would I dig in my pocket? You bet!
But having really having not followed this thread too much, I wasn't aware that it had reached critical mass and that this kind of behavior was in order.
And it weasn't the same person who made mention of asking SC and/or the administration aboutr it, and yes, they're grownups and can make their own decisions, but it's in exceedingly poor taste to purt them in that position in the first place. We all know better than to make that kind of request. You're asking them to make a no-win decision.
They say yes, and every decent organization trying to help their cause could expect them to do the same for them, and if they say no, then mightn't someone decide they're an uncaring lot as well?
So I wasn't so much taking it as a personal affront about being badgered, but that I am one person of the membership that was being tarred who certainly had reason to call that issue onto the carpet.
Terry [user]ClugJuggle[/user] has had his MS walk plea tastefully on his signature for some time, and others here manage to tout their causes without involving the administration or abusing anybody.
That was all I meant to convey.
And Leroy, that comment is taken totally out of context and not at all how it was meant.
I am *NOT* in favor of taking all photography threads off the site; in another endless mean-spirited discussion, I had the audacity to suggest that a non-photography thread that gets ugly really isn't much in the spirit of DPC, and isn't particularly relevant.
I always seem to be thought of having the worst intent and see the ugly in everything.....I just don't think like that and I get horrified when people are mean.
I really should learn to keep my mouth shut.
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10/31/2007 12:18:13 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
My personal thought is, "Who cares?" If you want to donate, donate, if not, don't.
People will always be asking for donations to one cause or another. There's no need to get all up in a fuss about it and run them off. |
Not trying to run someone off.
Ask me any time to donate, and I'll say yes or no, depending....
If I say no, and you tell me I'm not a caring person, then don't be surprised if I have a less than pleasant retort, 'cause that's just an ignorant thing to say.
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10/31/2007 12:19:51 AM · #19 |
| Most fundraising drives use the guilt tactic. Why? Probably because it works. I don't take it personally (much to their chagrin). |
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10/31/2007 12:20:35 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Ask me any time to donate, and I'll say yes or no, depending....
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Sorry what I said earlier.. should not have brought that irrelevant item into this thread...
BTW, I need a 5d really bad, care to make a donation? ;-)
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10/31/2007 12:31:51 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Ask me any time to donate, and I'll say yes or no, depending.... |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Sorry what I said earlier.. should not have brought that irrelevant item into this thread...
BTW, I need a 5d really bad, care to make a donation? ;-) |
I don't have a 5D, but I am getting my mom's old FTB QL soon.....you interested in that?.....8>)
I'm also getting her old Rolleiflex, but you can't have that!
Message edited by author 2007-10-31 00:35:04.
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10/31/2007 12:54:55 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
My personal thought is, "Who cares?" If you want to donate, donate, if not, don't.
People will always be asking for donations to one cause or another. There's no need to get all up in a fuss about it and run them off. |
Not trying to run someone off.
Ask me any time to donate, and I'll say yes or no, depending....
If I say no, and you tell me I'm not a caring person, then don't be surprised if I have a less than pleasant retort, 'cause that's just an ignorant thing to say. |
Well, if you do want to run them off, a chainsaw does wonders. |
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10/31/2007 01:04:02 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I was trying to make the point of how horrified that I was that someone could state that after a plea for supposrt, A MERE TWO HOURS LATER, THIS WAS POSTED:
"I thought DPC was a caring community!
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I think you have made lot of good points in OP and later on.
and you have pointed out one very important thing, that doing something that everyone is doing is OK but having a view slightly against it or opposed to it is considered sacrilege.
I had similar experience when the thread about Joey's DVD came up. Just because few people (including me) did not like advertising. People started to say that these are rude (most hurtful was bear_music's comment that this shows their class. This is the most insulting thing I heard at DPC).
Having a different opinion does not necessarily mean that you are not caring for others. (the same thing as you said).
And I also feel that apart from photography that there could be threads about other cause but it should not happen that everyday we see a thread asking us to contribute to something. If this starts to happen, this is bad. And I feel this has started to happen. |
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10/31/2007 07:02:23 AM · #24 |
Jeb, for the record, I knew instantly why you posted this thread AND that your intentions were still good. Having viewed a LOT of your postings, I already knew that you are a caring person & that someone (NOT you) had a 'lapse of judgment' - end of story. No, I don't think my opinion matters much ; I'm just tryin to be friendly...
JoJo - Girl, I don't know who you're talking about, but he sure sounds like a freakin awesome person ;) :) ;) As usual, everyone should know how hard YOU work to help others too...
Billy
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10/31/2007 08:15:16 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
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I don't have a 5D, but I am getting my mom's old FTB QL soon.....you interested in that?.....8>)
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Hey, I have one of those too.
Unfortunately, mine has developed pinholes in the cloth shutter and isn't much good anymore. I only keep it because it was my first camera. |
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