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02/11/2004 03:55:51 PM · #26 |
Nshapiro- I hope the discussion helps you and others to make a more informed decision. Like you, I'm just looking for more pixels and a better zoom, ideally in a compact form. The Rebel is a vastly superior choice for using with my telescope, but that's not my primary need.
I will miss the lack of noise and shutter lag on the Rebel. I think the hybrid focusing system on the Pro1 will help with lag, but I'm worried about noise. The Pro1 uses a Powershot-like CCD rather than the CMOS sensor of the Rebel. The sample images on Canon's web site appear to have noise comparable to the Powershot G series. I can live with that, but there are some unofficial Pro1 sample images on a Czech web site that are horribly noisy (//index.hu/tech/digicam/cikkek/pspro1_p/#eng). I'll just have to wait for the real reviews to come out. |
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02/11/2004 04:31:27 PM · #27 |
Chinstrap- I appreciate your encouragement. I used a Pentax SLR a lot in college, and I'm quite familiar with manual controls. I've had this camera for about 6 weeks, and probably spent about 3 of those (between internet searches and tests with the manual and various settings) trying to solve the flash exposure problem. I did have some success, but I could generally get a better image with the Powershot with little or no effort. Personally, if I only took still photos or outdoor shots, I'd keep the Rebel.
My analysis was specific to a user upgrading from a Powershot to a Rebel, and focused on the tradeoffs therein. The Rebel is primarily targeted at advanced non-professionals that want a little more control and features. I totally understand that these are different types of cameras, but in the context of upgrading from a point and shoot to SLR, a comparison is exactly what's needed in order to make an informed decision.
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02/11/2004 06:24:04 PM · #28 |
Nice Kosta!! I hope you can get it. I will have to wait a bit for that but sure looks good!:-) |
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03/04/2004 10:52:16 AM · #29 |
| I have been doing light painting with the Digital Rebel all week, and last week I shot a play at ISO 1600 and the noise was minimal in both cases. |
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01/26/2005 01:34:05 PM · #30 |
I am thinking of changing the lens which came with my 300D,has anyone got any experience of a good similar lens (does not have to be Canon).
Many thanks. |
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01/26/2005 01:49:51 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by chig:
I am thinking of changing the lens which came with my 300D,has anyone got any experience of a good similar lens (does not have to be Canon).
Many thanks. |
What do you want this NEW lens to do? More reach, more wide, more light, more all of the above?
There are lots of good lenses out there. Alot depends on what you want to do and how much you want to pay for it/them.
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01/26/2005 02:01:23 PM · #32 |
I owned the 300D. It's a nice camera to start out with. Although, a salesman (whom I know and trust) at my local camera store says there are better cameras in the same price range made by Minolta and I think the other was Pentax.
To my surprise. |
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01/26/2005 02:02:10 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Agamemnon:
I have been doing light painting with the Digital Rebel all week, and last week I shot a play at ISO 1600 and the noise was minimal in both cases. |
YOu couldn't have been using the kit lens???????? |
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01/26/2005 02:14:46 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
I owned the 300D. It's a nice camera to start out with. Although, a salesman (whom I know and trust) at my local camera store says there are better cameras in the same price range made by Minolta and I think the other was Pentax.
To my surprise. |
At b&h ist D $1669, body only $1239 more like the 10D/20D
istDs $999/$899
Rebel $869/779 but take $100 off if bought by Jan 31, so it is over $200 cheaper than the Pentax and you get a wider lens selection.
The minolta 7D is over $1500...not in the same price range at all.
My rebel opinion
I moved 3 weeks ago from a Fuji S602 to the Rebel. TONS less noise, no shutter lag. Quiet (no lens to retract/stick out), better/faster zoom, tons quicker from review to shoot, etc. Much better to use. Bulb mode for longer night exposures, much faster frame to frame shot - as fast as you can hit the shutter button it can take pics.
As to the negatives..bigger/heavier, needs more/bigger memory card (and more HD space), no spot meter (i am used to that, you may not care), have to get a bigger bag to carry it all in.
Misc: i can get/use Cokin filters, can use external flash much more easily, makes me feel like a better photographer, ability to control DOF, can get the Wasia firmware to get extra features (iso3200!). I have not used RAW, am having to adjsut my PP workflow a bit.
Well worth the upgrade to me.
Message edited by author 2005-01-26 14:16:48.
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01/26/2005 02:33:44 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
At b&h ist D $1669, body only $1239 more like the 10D/20D
istDs $999/$899
Rebel $869/779 but take $100 off if bought by Jan 31, so it is over $200 cheaper than the Pentax and you get a wider lens selection.
The minolta 7D is over $1500...not in the same price range at all.
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Don't know if those were what he was talking about. And I was reaching as to what makes they actually were. Anyway, point being, he said for roughly the same cash you could get a better camera from another manufacturer. Just can't remember the details! LOL typical woman. haha |
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01/26/2005 02:52:06 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
Don't know if those were what he was talking about. And I was reaching as to what makes they actually were. Anyway, point being, he said for roughly the same cash you could get a better camera from another manufacturer. Just can't remember the details! LOL typical woman. haha |
He is anti-Canon. It is like the car worlds
Ford vs Chevy debate. A coworker model of mine has a photographer hubby. He is a Nikon guy. He refers to the Rebel as a 'toy camera'. Claims the D70 is the same price as a rebel...it is close (now) but still mo money (at bh kit is $1299/body 999 and there is a $100 rebate as well. So $899 vs $679, apples to apples price wise.
Is the D70 better/more camera than a Rebel? Maybe yes. $220 better? 30% better? that much price difference almost puts them into different market segments!
Message edited by author 2005-01-26 14:53:23.
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02/03/2005 09:45:48 PM · #37 |
Let me answer your question. I had a Minolta Z1 and swithced to the Rebel on 10/4.
First picture quality of dSLR vs. other digital camera is not comparable. Even the best "Prosumer" digital camera's cannot compete with the image quality of the worst dSLR. Check out the comparison of the DR against digital cameras and it's apparent. In terms of price, the disounted price of the DR cannot be beat right now. Too bad you missed all the rebates. It's performance far exceeds every prosumer digical cam's. Other dSLR's may be better, but not digital cameras.
It is more plasticy than other dSLR's, it's write speed and start up speed is a bit slow. It can only take 4 rapid shots. And it underexposes it's shots.
If you use EV, get the hack and use the FEC then the exposure issue is settled. If you don't mind the plastic, the 3sec start up time, and don't need to take multiple rapid sequence shots routinely, then the DR is probably the best bang for the bucks dSLR out there right now.
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02/03/2005 11:52:46 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Nshapiro- I hope the discussion helps you and others to make a more informed decision. Like you, I'm just looking for more pixels and a better zoom, ideally in a compact form. The Rebel is a vastly superior choice for using with my telescope, but that's not my primary need.
I will miss the lack of noise and shutter lag on the Rebel. I think the hybrid focusing system on the Pro1 will help with lag, but I'm worried about noise. The Pro1 uses a Powershot-like CCD rather than the CMOS sensor of the Rebel. The sample images on Canon's web site appear to have noise comparable to the Powershot G series. I can live with that, but there are some unofficial Pro1 sample images on a Czech web site that are horribly noisy (//index.hu/tech/digicam/cikkek/pspro1_p/#eng). I'll just have to wait for the real reviews to come out. |
You will be sadly disappointed going from the rebel to the Pro1 (don't know anything about a rumored PS Pro1 but the current one which I have).
does it take big (mp) sharp pictures? Yes, but why they put ISO 200 and 400 on there I do not know neither is usable. However pictures are so sharp that I had to use gaussian blur to soften them up.
does it fit in your pocket? No, but it does fit in a lowepro minitrekker 100 nicely. It is quite light though...
Can you sneak around with it and look like a tourist with it? No...it does not look like a P&S. Will people get out of your way at the airshow? No cause they won't take you serious.
The 28-200mm (equivalent) L series glass is nice, but just not enough reach (for me) for another 60 bucks plus 199 you can get the adapter and Teleconverter to make the pro1 a 280-300mm with the converter on. This add a couple o pounds and the darn TC is bigger than the camera.
Trust me the Pro1 is an excellent camera and I used the heck out of mine, but my wife now enjoys it which is a really good thing, but I can't tell you how much freedom I have gained by going to my 20D. It's not a pocket cam and it's not a dSLR it's a tweener.
As for shutter lag beleive it. Find a bird in the sky, with the view finder of your rebel track the bird then close your eye and shoot the pic. It's kind of like that...this is not a through the lens view finder or lcd. I actually shot an airshow and got a lot of pics of the planes but there is a lot of guessing and leading the subject involed.
Also the zoom is not mechanical it is motorized meaning you turn the ring and a motor pushes it out 28-200mm is a long ways for that little motor, mine has developed a squeek that is quite annoying when zoomed in/out.
Sorry long post just wanted to let you know what you might be in for...
If there is a new Pro1 it would almost have to be a new model to avoid the above.
There is a firmware upgrade for the current that makes AF 50% faster but autofocus fix does noting for the Electronic View finder (aka Shutter) Lag when shooting moving objects...
ED:Can't post a book without typos...
Message edited by author 2005-02-03 23:56:05. |
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02/04/2005 12:06:56 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Is the D70 better/more camera than a Rebel? Maybe yes. |
Shot by two photographers of the same skill level, and same price-range lenses by two photog's who know their cameras -- I can guarantee that there will be just about no difference whatsoever in the two photos...sure each is going to excel in some areas (rebel, maybe less noise because the d70 doesn't have iso 100 -- don't know I'm just guessing -- and then there's always the fact that the d70 'looks cooler').
It's all about who you know and your plans for the future. Personally, I decided that if I ever was going to *really* get into photography, and I mean pursue it as a possible career some day, that I'd rather have a stash of canon lenses laying around than nikon lenses -- but that's just my take.
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02/04/2005 12:11:15 AM · #40 |
For Nshapiro
I had a G1, then a G5, then a Pro1, now my 20D.
I knew I would desperately miss the swivel screen (yup, I was right), as well as a number of other nice things about the Pro1 (e.g. built-in ND filter, 2 second timer choice, remote control, small size and fantastic macro shots).
However, the huge start-up time and shutterlag used to drive me nuts, as did the noise at anything above ISO 200.
Just for the amazing speed alone, as well as the noise issue, I am happy to do without the things I so loved.
By the way - I am keeping the pro1 around for the macro shots, and for any "undercover work" *g*.
Good luck with your next purchase. Make the most of whatever you have, they all have some advantage over other cameras. |
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02/04/2005 12:32:23 AM · #41 |
[quote=GoldBerry}
YOu couldn't have been using the kit lens???????? [/quote]
Goldbery, I have noticed you saying quite a few things about the kit lens that make little sense to me and it makes me wonder, do you own one? If not how much experience do you have using one?
For light painting at 1600 asa the kit lense would be just fine thanks, right in it's ball park between f8 and f11, it is a fine little lens. Mine dosen't get out much anymore, for the wide stuff I use the efs10-22 for wider and faster I use the Tamron 28-75 XRDI in its place, but for less than $100 the kit lens is an amazing lense and deserves a bit of respect. Best bang for the buck I ever got in glass.
P.S. Noise is a function of sensor sensitivity to stray light, not the quality of the glass you use.
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02/08/2005 11:43:38 PM · #42 |
| I need to know if the canon eos digital rebel is a good action shot and a good nature shot camera does it have a wide selection of lenses |
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