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12/18/2007 03:27:39 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by elemess:
I've been here a long time now, and if weren't for the step approach this site takes to photography, I would have given up years ago. I wouldn't say I'm all that great, or even very good, but I'm a hell of a lot better than when I started
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Well said.
Having just started out, I feel like I actually have a shot at a high score in Basic Editting. In Advanced, not so much. I don't have the eye for Advanced post-processing in Photoshop.. Yet.
If this site only offered Advanced editting, I would probably have never started submitting.. I would have been way too intimidated.
If you don't like Basic Editting challenges, don't enter Basic Editting challenges! |
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12/18/2007 03:29:34 PM · #27 |
elemess, you missed the argument completely.
I'm not even going to get into it. Just realize that Advanced doesnt mean you have to manipulate the hell out of your photo.
My editing barely falls out of the realm of "basic", but i like to have the options.
Something as simple as a vignette can make or break a photo. basic editing for some reason wouldnt allow that.
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12/18/2007 03:32:43 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by dstrohl:
elemess, you missed the argument completely.
I'm not even going to get into it. Just realize that Advanced doesnt mean you have to manipulate the hell out of your photo.
My editing barely falls out of the realm of "basic", but i like to have the options.
Something as simple as a vignette can make or break a photo. basic editing for some reason wouldnt allow that. |
The site at some levels has the notion of being about learning. Forcing entrants to focus on learning the pre-capture photography skills is not a bad thing. The basic ruleset tends to force a bias towards getting things right in camera as much as possible. That's not a bad skill to learn.
Advanced rules let most of the training wheels off, while still trying to enforce something that is at least in the spirit of 'photographic' - much of typical darkroom work is allowed there.
Expert rules are a free for all and often result in images that have very little to do with photography, other than a long distance starting point. |
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12/18/2007 03:49:09 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by dstrohl:
Originally posted by JeffryZ:
Editing requires learning just like the camera settings do. Basic editing contests encourage learning the camera basics while the editing skills develop. |
If we discourage post-processing with a limited ruleset, then how is that going to help people to learn how to finish their images? |
Learning to post process is still encouraged. The Basic level allows those who have not yet mastered it to participate and eventually learn how. For those with better editing skills there are contests which do allow you to do more. This is supposed to first and foremost be a photography site- not a photoshop site. Photoshop is a tool but not a rerquirement to produce a "finished" photo. "Basic" is one option for challenges- not an exclusive one applied to all contests.
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12/18/2007 03:50:50 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by dstrohl:
elemess, you missed the argument completely.
I'm not even going to get into it. Just realize that Advanced doesnt mean you have to manipulate the hell out of your photo.
My editing barely falls out of the realm of "basic", but i like to have the options.
Something as simple as a vignette can make or break a photo. basic editing for some reason wouldnt allow that. |
I don't think I have. You've titled this thread "Basic Editing - Why does this exist?" and then bitched about you can't do anything in Basic. I may not be joining any Lincoln-Douglas debate teams anytime soon, but I think I answered your question. Now you're saying you don't even do much out of Basic - then why complain about it? The options for more editing options are there; you've even paid the money to use them.
I don't know if English is your second language (this is an international site, after all), but "basic" by definition imposes limits. Vignetting, for example, is not a "basic" thing. Not that I'm an editing genius, but I don't know how to do it without sticking a traffic cone in front of the camera when taking the shot. Just because a technique is often used doesn't mean it's easy or basic to do. Or at least do well.
Basic is the first step. Advanced is another step. Expert is the final step, at least for now. As the site grows and as digital photography technology grows, we may find the need for another step beyond Expert (Deity?), just as we needed something beyond the old Classic Editing. And we may even need to revisit (yet again) our definition of "basic." But there must always be that first step for those of us who need to take it. |
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12/18/2007 03:58:39 PM · #31 |
Because it takes more talent and forethought to create something impressive with limited resources than it does with extensive resources.
That's why.
Of course, this is just MHO.
Message edited by author 2007-12-18 16:16:16. |
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